THE NEW 586

[one eye joe]

S&W is bringing back the 586. Other than the UGLY lock, it's beautiful. A square butt with wooden grips is a refreshing change.......Smith & Wesson Brings Back the Classic Model 586 - Gun News at Guns.com

 

[Engine49guy]

There was a thread recently on this , here is a link.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/227150-586-back-7.html#post136318325

Ever notice they usually either shoot a picture from the right side or angle the gun so you cant see the lock hole?
Makes me wonder why if they know we dont like the lock why continue to add it?
My comment was that I dont see the harm if the factory allowed us to special order any model without the lock for the same price.
Just pull batches of frames before they are drilled for the lock hole and finish them leaving out the IL parts.

They know customers are avoiding their product because of it.
Allowing us to special order without the IL would increase sales and satisfy the customers,

If its a liability thing simply have the consumer fill out a waiver.
Its a Win Win for S&W and the consumer.
Maybe start with the Performance center guns.

 

[DonD]

Ever notice they usually either shoot a picture from the right side or angle the gun so you cant see the lock hole?
Makes me wonder why if they know we dont like the lock why continue to add it?
My comment was that I dont see the harm if the factory allowed us to special order any model without the lock for the same price.
Just pull batches of frames before they are drilled for the lock hole and finish them leaving out the IL parts.

They know customers are avoiding their product because of it.
Allowing us to special order without the IL would increase sales and satisfy the customers,

If its a liability thing simply have the consumer fill out a waiver.
Its a Win Win for S&W and the consumer.
Maybe start with the Performance center guns.

Waiver?? Get serious, no waiver has EVER prevented ambulance chasing liability lawyers from extorting money from the innocent. Hold harmless paperwork is the same way, the lawyers still find some way to get someone else to pay for the ignorance or mistakes of their clients.

S&W knows quite well that the ILS isn't popular and they haven't really changed their policy. So...don't like the lock, don't buy one with it and you give up a nice selection of guns that have the lock.

On to the original subject, if the picture is representative, the gun has very nice grips. Don

 

[one eye joe]

There was a thread recently on this , here is a link.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/227150-586-back-7.html#post136318325

Ever notice they usually either shoot a picture from the right side or angle the gun so you cant see the lock hole?
Makes me wonder why if they know we dont like the lock why continue to add it?
My comment was that I dont see the harm if the factory allowed us to special order any model without the lock for the same price.
Just pull batches of frames before they are drilled for the lock hole and finish them leaving out the IL parts.

They know customers are avoiding their product because of it.
Allowing us to special order without the IL would increase sales and satisfy the customers,

If its a liability thing simply have the consumer fill out a waiver.
Its a Win Win for S&W and the consumer.
Maybe start with the Performance center guns.

Wish I had seen that thread BEFORE I started this one. Sorry, gentlemen...........

 

[woodsltc]

I know this horse has been beaten to death on numerous occasions.....but the fact remains that many people (me included) will not buy a new S&W if it has that useless and potentially dangerous lock.

They can resurrect as many models as they want, but the "deal breaker" is the lock with many people.

 

[brucev]

Once upon a time I owned several 586's. Fine revolvers. Currently own a 686... also a fine revolver. Glad to see S&W is producing the blued gun. I personally prefer blue steel and wood grips. If I didn't already own several .357's, i'd look real hard at this new 586. As to the lock... I know it's an emotional thing for some, but I don't give it any notice. For years I'd been wanting a 21 in .44 Special. Found a Thunder Ranch 21-4 and bought it. Completely happy with it. Would have been foolish to turn it down just because of the lock. Otherwise, I'd have had to face the fact that I would never get to own and enjoy the .44 Special in a M&P style revolver. Now... very happy.

 

[woodsltc]

Once upon a time I owned several 586's. Fine revolvers. Currently own a 686... also a fine revolver. Glad to see S&W is producing the blued gun. I personally prefer blue steel and wood grips. If I didn't already own several .357's, i'd look real hard at this new 586. As to the lock... I know it's an emotional thing for some, but I don't give it any notice. For years I'd been wanting a 21 in .44 Special. Found a Thunder Ranch 21-4 and bought it. Completely happy with it. Would have been foolish to turn it down just because of the lock. Otherwise, I'd have had to face the fact that I would never get to own and enjoy the .44 Special in a M&P style revolver. Now... very happy.

Bruce ... to each his own... I place "the lock" in the same category as the Ford Pinto and Firestone Tires back in the 80's, very few of them failed compared to the overall number produced, but when they failed "at the wrong time", people died. IMO it's the same with the "lock design" that S&W insists on continuing with. If it were to fail in a self-defense situation what would be the outcome?? I don't intend for me or my family to be the test subjects.

My collection hasn't suffered a bit in not having a S&W with the lock !!

Don

 

[Retired W4]

My only gun with IL. I know this does not eliminate the problem completely but it is a fix. It would be nice to have a choice (442-2 comes to mind). I'm happy to have 586's with no lock.

 

[gr7070]

My collection hasn't suffered a bit in not having a S&W with the lock !!

Don

That's the ultimate answer. S&W hasn't suffered a bit. They can't produce the IL guns fast enough as it is.

I, literally, don't even notice the lock exists; not even while I'm cleaning the guns, looking at them closely, intently.

Meh.

 

[woodsltc]

My only gun with IL. I know this does not eliminate the problem completely but it is a fix. It would be nice to have a choice (442-2 comes to mind). I'm happy to have 586's with no lock.

The plug is a great inovation by forum member Bullseye Smith (he should be awarded a medal or something).

But isn't it a shame that we have to revert to the "plug" to have a reliable "new" S&W revolver!!! Smith & Wesson management should be ashamed!!

Well, this is my last post in this thread...the lock has been beaten to death (except in the eyes of S&W mgmt) on many other occasions and Lee even has a sticky on it. Adios.

Don

 

[one eye joe]

That's the ultimate answer. S&W hasn't suffered a bit. They can't produce the IL guns fast enough as it is.

I, literally, don't even notice the lock exists; not even while I'm cleaning the guns, looking at it closely, intently.

Meh.

You must be cleaning your guns in a dark closet, gr7070. BLIND in one eye (hence my user name) and with a Cataract and Glaucoma in my "good" eye, the IL jumps out at me like a pustulant boil on the face of Marilyn Monroe. I was forced to purchase a new 10 shot 617 revolver, after looking for a clean used 4 incher for a couple of years. THANKFULLY, our fellow forum member Bullseye Smith developed "THE PLUG". His product solves the reliability issue (NOT dangerous but a nuisance in a range weapon), and gives the revolver a more acceptable appearance. It's the ONLY ONE of the many S&Ws that I own that has the lock.....

 

[mesinge2]

I already have a 586 no dash but I might get the 3" 7-shot L-Comp model

 

[handlebar]

I've had a 586 in 6" since 1985. It is the one gun I will not sell. It has 10's of 1000's of rounds through it and shoots as well as day one, and no lock.

See the picture below.

S&W 586 picture by handlebar - Photobucket

 

[RychenCop]

this is great news! i'm tired of all these stainless revolvers.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Waiver?? Get serious, no waiver has EVER prevented ambulance chasing liability lawyers from extorting money from the innocent. Hold harmless paperwork is the same way, the lawyers still find some way to get someone else to pay for the ignorance or mistakes of their clients.

S&W knows quite well that the ILS isn't popular and they haven't really changed their policy. So...don't like the lock, don't buy one with it and you give up a nice selection of guns that have the lock.

On to the original subject, if the picture is representative, the gun has very nice grips. Don

Well, if the "ambulance chasing juries" would "just say no" to such claims, we would not have this problem as the "ambulance chasing lawyers," who are paid by a contingent fee (a percentage of the winnings) would not waste their time if the juries, made up of non-lawyers, would just say no or stop letting the "ambulance chasing lawyers." There would be no winnings, the lawyers would not be paid, and would move on to some other type of case.

Why is it that S&W can offer the M&P line with and without the lock, but not the revolvers? It makes no sense to me.

 

[JBnTx]

When might we see these on the shelves?

I've not seen any official word from SW?
Where are you guys getting this information?

The link doesn't work.

 

[fyimo]

This arguement gets beat to death up here with two camps one for the IL and one that hates them. To me it's quite simple as there are still lots of revolvers for sale pre lock and new ones with the lock. So whatever side floats your boat on the issue then buy the S&W Models that you like as there really is no right or wrong answer.

I like pre lock and mostly own P&R S&W revolvers because that's what floats my boat and where I spend my money but I don't think mine are better then yours with the lock or vice versa.

 

[one eye joe]

I hear ya, fyimo. It IS whatever floats your boat. I know there is a camp that hates the IL (I'm a loyal member), BUT I had NO idea that there is, "one FOR the IL". Begrudging tolerance is the most positive sentiment that I have noted.....

 

[H P Bushrod]

No lock guns for me. I'll stick with my old 681.

 

[gr7070]

I'll buy lock or no-lock as long as it's priced well.

I don't care.