the Old argument, it's just semantics

[Nachtjager]

although it may be technically wrong, in many areas and with many people the magazine is referred to as a clip. The term clip became popular with many of the soldiers in WWII and when they came back to the US they perpetuated it's use so that many people have grown up hearing magazines called "clips"

it is really just semantics and is not a major faux pas.

it is just the old Potato-Potaato argument but it really is not as big a deal as some would like to make it out to be.

here is a direct example right out of the book "With the Old Breed" at Peleliu and Okinawa by E.B. Sledge a marine in the famous 1st Marine division, he states......

"Attached to my web belt, I carried a pouch containing a combat dressing, two canteens, a pouch with two fifteen-round carbine magazines or clips as we called them. On the stock of my carbine I fastened an ammo pouch with two extra clips.

I personally used to shoot with my uncle (a vietnam vet) and he always called them Clips as well and growing up around the shooting ranges that I went to they were commonly called clips by all the older guys

They do not call them clips in the military anymore but that is where the term originated and it has been carried on to the younger generations ever since.

whether you choose to call them magazines or clips it really is not a big deal at all and as you can see by the above example, by a marine from the famous 1st division, they were called clips by the marines during WWII. I have also heard them called clips in many of the books that I have read by soldiers in the European theater during WWII as well.

 

[ajpelz]

1. I don't see why this is in the M&P 15-22 forum.

2. So because two ignorant military commandos, God bless them, do not know the difference, there isn't one??

A magazine is an enclosed mechanism made of several different parts with a spring that moves a floor plate.

A clip is usually just one piece of stamped metal, and, the important part, it has no moving parts. More often than not, you use a clip to charge a magazine.

Clearly they are different items, with each its own specified name.

 

[EarlFH]

although it may be technically wrong, in many areas and with many people the magazine is referred to as a clip. The term clip became popular with many of the soldiers in WWII and when they came back to the US they perpetuated it's use so that many people have grown up hearing magazines called "clips"

it is really just semantics and is not a major faux pas.

it is just the old Potato-Potaato argument but it really is not as big a deal as some would like to make it out to be.

here is a direct example right out of the book "With the Old Breed" at Peleliu and Okinawa by E.B. Sledge a marine in the famous 1st Marine division, he states......

"Attached to my web belt, I carried a pouch containing a combat dressing, two canteens, a pouch with two fifteen-round carbine magazines or clips as we called them. On the stock of my carbine I fastened an ammo pouch with two extra clips.

I personally used to shoot with my uncle (a vietnam vet) and he always called them Clips as well and growing up around the shooting ranges that I went to they were commonly called clips by all the older guys

They do not call them clips in the military anymore but that is where the term originated and it has been carried on to the younger generations ever since.

whether you choose to call them magazines or clips it really is not a big deal at all and as you can see by the above example, by a marine from the famous 1st division, they were called clips by the marines during WWII. I have also heard them called clips in many of the books that I have read by soldiers in the European theater during WWII as well.

So I guess that because liberals call semi-auto rifles, machine guns, that makes them the same? 'Most' gun people know the difference, but why use a wrong term, just because some uneducated people do so? If you use the correct term, at least some people will know you're knowledgable, and not some gang-banger, off the street.

JMHO
EarlFH

 

[jsimmons]

Well, I don't see the big deal with calling them clips or magazines. The guys that say "magazine" know what you mean when you say "clip", and it's a lot simpler to just not mention it because it makes you look like a pendatic anal pore. Just use the term you prefer and let it go.

Now that I've put in my 2 cents worth, I'moff to buy some nifty Bro-Sights for my Glock. Does anyone know where I can have a dovetail cut on the side of the slide?

 

[Nachtjager]

well like I said it is just semantics and has nothing to do with education or whether you are a "gang banger" or not. And it certainly does not indicate that you know nothing about your weapon.

People who refer to a magazine as a clip are using a slang term, this slang term has been widely accepted by veterans and people all over this country for decades and it is nothing but a "slang" word for a magazine. Since it is used as a slang reference there is no wrong in using the word as such as long as the people they use it with know what they mean.

just like the term "gang-banger" is a slang term but most people know what it refers too even though I am sure it can be interpreted differently by anyone you ask.

if you do not like someone's use of a slang word that is your own issue not their's

everyone knows what a person using the slang term "Clip" means when they are referring to a magazine and there is no need to play the grammer expert and chew them out for it or to call them uneducated or a gang-banger

someone used the term "gun" but others may say that there is a difference between a gun and a weapon or between a gun and a rifle or pistol and using the term gun is incorrect, I think the Marines are also pretty clear on this term as well. "this is my weapon, this is my gun, my weapon is for fighting and my gun is for fun"

anyway it is just semantics and people have no need to get upset when the slang word "clip" is used to describe a magazine. just ask the veterans of the 1st marine division or many other veterans of WWII who refered to their magazines as "clips"

like I said it is not a big deal and no need to make it one. I could easily go through posts and try to correct grammer and I am sure that would be a full time job but people's grammer or use of slang does not bother me, to me it's no big deal

 

[HalfSwiss]

Most WWII guys used the term "clip" because that's what fed an M1 Garand and that's what most of them were using. The M1 carbine takes a magazine. I can just imagine a guy with a carbine running out of ammo, yelling for a clip, and getting hit with a bunch of clips with 30-06 ammo in them instead of magazines with the 30 carbine round in them.

Call them what you will, no big deal. But to me, a clip isn't a magazine and vice versa.

I think I'll ignore the next thread on this subject.

 

[HalfSwiss]

People who refer to a magazine as a clip are using a slang term, this slang term has been widely excepted by veterans and people all over this country for decades and it is nothing but a "slang" word for a magazine. Since it is used as a slang reference there in no wrong in using the word as such.

Did you really mean "widely excepted"? Or "widely accepted"? Or are we talking semantics here?

 

[Nachtjager]

half swiss

they also used the term clip with their thompson's as well

but my whole point was to demonstrate that some people use the term clip as a slang for a magazine and although technically wrong it is a slang that is widely used. just like Mr. Sledge and his fellow marines did in WWII. Mr. Sledge clearly points out that they called their magazines clips, this does indicate that the marines of the 1st division did know the difference between the two but still chose to call them clips, just as I suspect most people on this forum know the difference as well

 

[ajpelz]

They are two different things. I do not know how else to explain. I am sorry some people use the terms incorrectly.

I have an Enfield 2A. This is a 7.62x51 bolt action gun, with a detachable 12 round box magazine. It has 5 round clips also. You use the 5 rounds clips to feed the magazine through the top of the receiver. If I have shoot off 5, 6 or 7 rounds, and I want to top off my mag, I may ask someone for a clip. If someone gave me a magazine, I would throw it back at them and tell them to give me what I asked for.

Why don't we just call all guns pistols, or revolvers?? oh yes, because they aren't.

 

[Nachtjager]

but you just referred to your Enfield rifle as a gun which I do not have any issue with but some do. However I have no need to point it out as I am sure you know the difference

any way I have nothing more to say on the topic I was just trying to let people know that some people use the slang term "clip" for a magazine and I am sure in their social and shooting circles people would know what they mean by it.

I know in some parts of the country all soda pop is called "Coke" when you go somewhere and order a "Coke" they ask you what flavor or what kind you would like, but where I grew up a "coke" is a coca cola the brand name.

 

[borntoraisehogs]

Correct terms are as important as musical notation was before recordings. Most WWII soldiers did use clips; the 8 round clip for the M-1 Garand. A magazine is the storage area in a weapon, or ship. Using the term clip incorrectly to descibe a detachable magazine,won't end the world. But it will never be correct, just because so many are in error.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

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