"The police killed my baby" in Houston

[Guest]

Originally posted by fiasconva: ...She had nothing to do with him getting killed...

I don't buy that one for a minute! People who live in a toilet and raise there off spring that way play a major role in how they end up. Granted many do make it out of the World that they are raised in and become useful members of our Society. In my opinion, the sooner they get out the better their chances.

 

[yashua-p]

Poor baby...He gone now. .He BE deAd . NO MORE PROBLEM

YASHUA

 

[Doug M.]

I did a lot of work in Juvenile Court, both offenders and dependency (child protective) cases, in two states. Most of the offender cases, roughly 80%, were what I called "dependency lite" - the kids did not have parents, they had gene donors. Parenting is a social behavior - gene donation is an accidental by product of a recreational activity gone wrong.

Erich's response is classier than mine, but no less correct. However, offender safety is the offender's problem, not mine. Want to be safe? You'll be treated decently when you surrender. Until then, your well-being is not my problem.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Originally posted by Erich:
Well . . . here you have the mother of a human being who's been killed, and she's upset. I guess I'm not surprised that she's upset, or that she says things that are not totally logical or that she fails to acknowledge the flaws of herself or her child at that moment.

I certainly have a knee-jerk reaction to want to be annoyed by such performances on TV, but . . . they're understandable.

While sanctimony is appealing sometimes, I hope I can be more compassionate about such things than I sometimes have been in the past - I try, anyway. I understand what you folks are saying, but would encourage everyone to look at what's happening through as understanding a lens as possible. It has to be terrible to lose a child.

On a related note, it often happens some mother of one of my clients tells me, "He's a good boy." Sometimes, as when he's older than me and has quite the lengthy record of pleas, I can't resist pointing out that - while he might be a fine person in many ways - he's not really "good" and he's certainly no longer a "boy." I generally try to resist suggesting that co-dependent parenting behavior like hers might explain why he has so much trouble in life. I think it's natural for parents to view their children through rose-colored glasses to some extent - the trick is to maintain a grasp on reality, I guess, in order to be able to guide them. Some folks don't seem to master that trick.

you put it very well, I concurr. One of the paradoxes I deal with on a daily basis is whether to hug them or slap the sh!t out of them-the line can be thin indeed

Doug M also a good post with which I concurr.

I also posit that if the rest of you has as much of an eyeful od the underclass and the criminal justice system now-you would be scared beyond pale. The tide will not be able to be stemmed absent some apocolyptic event.

 

[ToddS112]

Originally posted by ingmansinc:
I have to wonder why the mother of a police officer that gets killed in the line of duty isn't on tv screaming about the thug that killed her child.

Because the media wouldn't show it. I don't blame a parent for lashing out when their child dies. I blame the media. It is such a tired cliche. It is so predictable, yet there it is at six o'clock everytime it happens.

Predictable, yes. Infuriating every time, yes.

 

[nicky4968]

I too agree with Erich. Like Erich and Cajun lawyer, I have spent more time, day in, day out, in juvenile courts than I care to think about. Not everything is as black and white as set forth on a television show, news broadcast, or in eight inches of newspaper column.
Without going into more detail (it's bad enough I have this stuff in my head) I will tell you that juvenile court is a chamber of horrors. Many were the days that I went outside for a cigarette break and told God it was okay to rain the fire down on us now.
The only reason He doesn't is because He doesn't want to admit He's licked.

 

[moosedog]

Even Hitler's mother would have given her son a "pass".
Rare is the parent who will admit that they raised a piece of garbage.

 

[red14]

Walter o says,
"When my children were growing up they were taught right from wrong by a mother & dad who took the responsability to be parents in pratcice, not in name only."

There have been many good points here. I don't blame the mother, she is devastated.

I blame the father. I believe if all these young men had the benefit of Mother and FATHER, they would be better citizens.

Many of these young men have no male role model in their life, that's why they end up in gangs. These gang members are their role models.

Bill Cosby says this all the time, and people don't listen!

 

[m657]

RE:

Many of these young men have no male role model in their life

The welfare rules dominant in the 60s specified that no adult male could be present in the home of a woman on welfare. I believe that was a large contribution to the break down of lower economic level family relationships.

And during the 60s, it became trendy for middle class women to go to careers, leaving their own children in the hands of TV and/or a sitter of meager qualifications.

It also became so expensive to live, there HAD to be 2 incomes, to support not only the middle class family, but the lower economic family; PLUS add on the intermediary multiple levels of bureaucrat to plan, develop, lobby the legislatures for agency funding, and manage offices full of those who 'provided social services'....as well as transcriptionists, trainers, consultants, specialists, etc etc...

Look at the explosion of government costs beginning with that little trend....the break down of the family in two large sectors of the society.

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

Originally posted by KKG:

Originally posted by fiasconva: ...She had nothing to do with him getting killed...

I don't buy that one for a minute! People who live in a toilet and raise there off spring that way play a major role in how they end up. Granted many do make it out of the World that they are raised in and become useful members of our Society. In my opinion, the sooner they get out the better their chances.

__________________________________________________

+1000 KKG

 

[red14]

Prisons are full of men whose mothers loved them, with no father around. The percentage of those in prison without male role models (fathers) is staggering.

 

[em-man]

I firmly believe there are segments of our society that are beyond help. The idea of a productive day(much less a life) is so far removed from their world, it may as well be a trip to the moon. Try to avoid interacting with them. Defend yourself like a cornered alley cat when you do.

 

[rburg]

Wow, has this thread covered some ground!

We've gone so far as to even mention Hitler. I only bring him back up because of an undercurrent. Remember, he wanted to rid his society of the dregs. I guess it was how he defined them that caused the most uproar, and his method of disposal. Don't lose sight of the idea being bandied about here that seems similar.

I'm also a little put out that we even suggest the idea of putting the mother of a police officer up on the news. Just the comparison is offensive. Those few that are killed in the line of duty were hopefully very productive members of our society. Their deaths are tragedy's to not just their mothers, but to their families and society as a whole.

The death of a dirtbag is a net gain. But our liberal media has made a calculated decision to give air time to the woman who brought the deceased piece of garbage into this world. Not to do so would seem unfair. So they give her a hysterical 10 seconds of fame. The only problem I see with that is other, weak minded folks sometimes believe what she wails.

On the subject of male role models, I think sometimes the little miscreants are better off with no male role model than a bad one. I would even suggest the un-PC idea that many don't have a clue as to who their male DNA donor was, nor do the mothers. Too many possible answers.

I don't see a good answer or solution to the problem. I don't like the concept of rounding the bad apples up and shooting them, however attractive that is. Our society has struggled for a long time trying to figure out how to make the worst people productive, or at least minimize the harm they do. We've failed.

My wife is offended when I watch the evening news and some jerk removes himself from the gene pool. I usually say "good". We have people who try to find the best in everybody. Reality says there are way too many non-productive folks around. I'm just not nice enough to see any value in them.

Back to the wailing mothers. I guess they do have a terrible loss. They may even remember the one time the deceased helped carry groceries. The one time when they remembered mothers day and brought her flowers. There are some who look for the good in everyone, I'm just not one of them. I do understand why a mother would look for the good in her worthless offspring. I just don't share their feelings.

 

[cmort666]

I'm sick of people trying to defend the indefensible and making excuses for the inexcusable.

Two recent examples:

An ex-con child molestor and rapist murders several cops in Oakland, CA and has people supporting what he did and proclaiming what a good person he was.

A Chicago police detective drunk out of his mind, and with a record of previous drunk driving offenses (including hitting and injuring two cops), kills two people in a fiery crash. Other cops immediately jump to his defense.

Apparently, there's simply no comment so stupid that people won't say it, nor any action so despicable that people won't defend it.

Both of those a-holes were enabled in their destructive behavior until it cost people their lives. And not content to just shut up, their enablers continue to support them unconditionally even AFTER they've killed someone.

Perhaps people of lesser intelligence have seen so much of the Jerry Springer show that they can't conceive of a time when they should just shut up and be ashamed of themselves, as if shame has simply disappeared as a concept.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by m657: ...The welfare rules dominant in the 60s specified that no adult male could be present in the home of a woman on welfare...

I don't believe this "Rule" applied to the actual Father of the child but then we didn't have DNA testing and 'Blood Type' matches were no better than a Maybe at best. This "Rule" was designed to keep the Mother from 'Playing House' with any Tom, Dick and Harry which was very common, and still is, with the Welfare Set. And, was a lousy attempt at 'birth control' by the States. It didn't work then and doesn't work now but many States still have this Rule but "STILL" don't have the people to do the enforcement.

There are 'answers' for this problem but nobody wants to do what needs to be done so these "Welfare Wives" keep on cranking out the Fatherless Children to add to the Rolls and add money to their monthly checks!

 

[fiasconva]

I wasn't going to reply to all the ones disagreeing with my "she had nothing to do with him being killed" but have to say something. There are mothers who send their young children out to the local stores in my area with a list of items to shoplift. On the other hand, there are hardworking mothers and fathers whose kids just turn out to be thugs no matter what they do. Peer pressure is a powerful influence and sometimes it negates everything a parent tries to do.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I only deal with criminals periodically on a volunteer basis, so I do not deal with them daily like many here, but I suspect that even the stupidest, most useless crack-using excuse for a mother knows to look bereaved and upset on the news for the unlawful death suit.

 

[animalmother]

Seen many out-of-control "mothers" (I use that term loosely) ranting about "my baby this" and "my baby that." All I gots to say is good riddance. Once less toilet bug to deal with!

 

[7003006]

Originally posted by KKG:

Originally posted by fiasconva: ...She had nothing to do with him getting killed...

I don't buy that one for a minute! People who live in a toilet and raise there off spring that way play a major role in how they end up. Granted many do make it out of the World that they are raised in and become useful members of our Society. In my opinion, the sooner they get out the better their chances.

I would be willing to bet that some people right here on the forum raised their children in "good " neighborhoods,coached little league,helped with homework,ect but their children still went "bad".I aggree that how a child is raised usualy has A LOT to do with how they turn out but I don't think you can say for sure a propper upbring always results in good kids/people.That being said,one thing my parents taught me was that actions have consiquences-something the mother in this situation doesn't seem to realize.

 

[BlackAgnes]

Does anyone know what this kid did? Why he was running from the police?