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I totally agree with you but how did we survive when the chicoms were poor and wasn't knowledgeable enough to make anything worth buying ? We used to be a country of producers.
We made everything we needed and we never needed anyone to make anything for use now we need the Chicoms make everything included a large percent of our medicine.

One possible solution is what my brother and I have started doing. We have started scrounging in Goodwill stores, consignment shops and other types of used goods stores looking for kitchen utensils that were made in this country. Sometimes thrift shops are run by local charitable organizations, like the thrift shop in downtown Gettysburg run by the hospital auxiliary. So that way you can find the quality goods made in the USA that you want and help out the community at the same time. And in some places you might find an antique/collectables emporium that contains numerous sellers as a source of implements that were made in the USA.

Griswold skillets were made in Erie, PA into the 1950s. There is actually a collector association for their products that were made over 60 years ago. I always said if a missile hit my house when the ashes were sifted they would find the Pfaltzgraf dishes and Griswold skillets.
 
I totally agree with you but how did we survive when the chicoms were poor and wasn't knowledgeable enough to make anything worth buying ? We used to be a country of producers.
We made everything we needed and we never needed anyone to make anything for use now we need the Chicoms make everything included a large percent of our medicine.

We must re-start making everything we can here.
 
We must re-start making everything we can here.
very true, however, as profoundly as covid restrictions were able to disrupt practically everything, the logistics behind an industrial reboot are daunting to say the least.
Where the kung flu hurt, the transition back to the old ways, however necessary, are going to be brutal
 
What you describe is a defensive position. One General George S Patton further described as a monument to human stupidity.

I believe he was referring to the 19th/
early 20th centuries concepts of "forts,"
i.e. Maginot Lines which are fixed and
don''t allow for maneuvering.

The Ukrainian "defensive" line is
neither fixed nor do they lack the
ability to shift forces as needed.

The Ukrainian army seems to be
very mobile. Its Kharkov offensive
followed by its maneuver to
defend the Donbas farther south
shows that.

Sometimes as what was famously
said, "Retreat hell. We're advancing
in another direction."
 
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If I wanted to slash Russia's throat, I'd seem like I was weakening. Once they bit, I'd hit them with everything, including sinking the Black Sea fleet in port with missiles, at the exact stroke of the clock I chose.

That would be nice, but...........

they would still have all their subs, to carry on the attacks.
 
All six of them? :) :)

The Russian Black Sea Fleet has a total of six submarines of the "Varshavianka" project: B-261 Novorossiysk, B-237 Rostov-na-Donu, B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar, B-268 Veliky Novgorod and B-271 Kolpino.
All Russian Black Sea Fleet submarines went to sea - media

Recall that Turkey is not allowing any warships through the Straits.
 
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I believe he was referring to the 19th/
early 20th centuries concepts of "forts,"
i.e. Maginot Lines which are fixed and
don''t allow for maneuvering.

The Ukrainian "defensive" line is
neither fixed nor do they lack the
ability to shift forces as needed.

The Ukrainian army seems to be
very mobile. Its Kharkov offensive
followed by its maneuver to
defend the Donbas farther south
shows that.

Sometimes as what was famously
said, "Retreat hell. We're advancing
in another direction."

His thoughts also extended to the strategy of a defensive stance. Sometimes this cannot be avoided.
It goes thus. If you want to fire a shell, or a missile, you must manufacture that shell and or missile.
Once fired, you must manufacture replacements in order to continue the fight.
Russia will have little trouble in this area. a few scattered reports of sabotage aside, their military industrial complex remains in the top tier of its blue book value.
In any campaign, the targeting of such resources is way up there on the target priority list. You can bet Russia has been on this mission from first blood. This was made evident by their occupation of Chernobyl, what would be Ukrainian nuclear production, if any.
At this time, Ukrainian military industry is likely a hot mess of broken and burning misfit toys. The advantage is to the Russians for their ability to replenish their ordnance.
Without Ukraine adopting a primarily offensive stance, pushing into Russia to break their toys, this will be a growing disparity of force.
Russia need only make sure the Ukrainian broken things stay that way while applying modest pressure until their remaining war fighting material dries up.
About the only liability in an offensive stance is over-extension. Men and material get spread out over too many fronts to maintain them.
As we cast a gaze to Nicaragua, I'm pretty sure they can handle at least a three front war. So far they have just one, setting up for a second.
 
All six of them? :) :)

The Russian Black Sea Fleet has a total of six submarines of the "Varshavianka" project: B-261 Novorossiysk, B-237 Rostov-na-Donu, B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar, B-268 Veliky Novgorod and B-271 Kolpino.
All Russian Black Sea Fleet submarines went to sea - media

Recall that Turkey is not allowing any warships through the Straits.

Turkey's edicts only apply to what they know about.
Piggybacking a sub under commercial cargo is a thing
 
... If you want to fire a shell, or a missile, you must manufacture that shell and or missile....

At this time, Ukrainian military industry is likely a hot mess of broken and burning misfit toys. ....

When did Ukraine have an arms manufacturing
complex?

It has relied on the West---the US and NATO---
for its major arms.

So far receiving arms from the West through
Poland has not been a major problem.

If the West lags in its support, your point may
be valid.

But right now this NATO proxy war aimed at
degrading Russian power continues.
 
When did Ukraine have an arms manufacturing complex?


Until Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014, at which point they built arms mostly for domestic consumption, they were the planets 4th largest arms exporter. Until 100 days ago, they were the 12th largest arms exporter.



Defense industry of Ukraine - Wikipedia.



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But did Ukraine's arms manufacturers
include tanks, fighter/bomber planes,
artillery ----- in other words the really
heavy stuff for a major war?

Regardless, Ukraine must now rely on
the West for the really heavy stuff to
fight a war.
 
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But did Ukraine's arms manufacturers

include tanks, fighter/bomber planes,

artillery ----- in other words the really

heavy stuff for a major war?



Regardless, Ukraine must now rely on

the West for the really heavy stuff to

fight a war.
Ukraine started the war with 1800 domestically produced artillery pieces and multiple rocket launch systems, which still make up the majority of their heavy arms. They also made their own T-84 main battle tanks. They are denying Russian control of their airspace using their own equipment. They sunk the Russian flagship with domestically produced Neptune missiles.

They are putting the added range and capabilities of recently procured western heavy equipment to good use, but it's nowhere near enough to take the place of existing domestic stockpiles.

Supplies of all artillery shells are of concern now.

The western supplied man-portable rockets seem to have made the biggest difference so far, but as more heavy equipment arrives, and soldiers trained, it will hopefully be enough to kick the devils out.

BTW, Ukraine makes small anti-tank rockets also. They posted this armor kill with one today.

Ukrainian forces use Stugna-P missile system to destroy enemy APC and crew

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No, it isn't.

Interesting article. Bit contradictory in that at the top of the article it says there is a "faction" in Europe — the faction being France, Germany and Italy; that's some faction! — that favors Ukrainian territorial concessions to Europe. Later it says "Only in Poland, Germany, Sweden, and Finland is there substantial public support for boosting military spending."

The UK, the US and Eastern Europe believe any territorial concessions should be completely left up to Ukraine. (The article says, The U.S., U.K. and Eastern Europe appear staunch in their position that Russia must not be able to succeed or “win” in Ukraine by carving out (or reclaiming, as Moscow sees it) swathes of territory for itself, saying that could have major global geopolitical repercussions.")

About a week or so ago I read that per anonymous Russian oligarchs, Putin believes the West will tire of supporting the war long before Russia will. The above article seems to corroborate this belief.
 
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