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Some various reports showing up online that appear to indicate an impressive escalation of Ukrainian capabilities.

One event is reports of strikes on the Chungar Straight Bridge, connecting Crimea with Russian held mainland Ukraine.

A second event is strikes on a Belorussian airfield used by Russia to launch attacks on Ukraine.

This is one report of the airfield events:

"The Belarusian military on Thursday denied reports of explosions overnight near a military airfield in the Gomel region of southeastern Belarus, not far from the border with Ukraine.

"On 10 August, near 23:00 (20:00 GMT), during a control run, a vehicle caught fire after its engine was replaced," the Belarusian defence ministry said in a statement.

"The fire was quickly brought under control. No one was injured," the statement said.

A Belarusian Telegram channel, which specialises in monitoring the conflict in Ukraine, said earlier in the day that "at least eight explosions" occurred near a military airfield in Ziabrovka, in the Gomel region.

Franak Viacorka, an adviser to exiled Belarusian opposition leader Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, said Russian military aircraft are often stationed at the airfield."




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Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, and the Netherlands have all announced they are assisting Britain's efforts by sending military trainers to bolster British forces training Ukrainian soldiers at bases in England. This additional effort is intended to expand the number of forces trained beyond the British commitment of 10,000 troops graduated every 120 days.

After more than 1.5 billion Euros was raised in Copenhagen for Ukraine's military support, at the Conference for Northern European Defense Allies in Support of Ukraine, Britain announced it was sending Ukraine three more M270 rocket launchers and associated rockets.



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I am reading comments about Offensive Operations ending soon due to winter arriving. "Mother Russia" winter stopped the Germans and largely saved the Russians in W.W. II. I wonder how it will play out with modern equipment and more determined Country?
 
"Screaming Eagles" on the way. Nearly 2,400 101st Airborne being sent to NATO members Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Slovakia to "reassure our Allies, and deter our adversaries."




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Heavy Losses Leave Russia Short of Its Goal, U.S. Officials Say

The estimated deaths and injuries are stalling Russia's progress in eastern Ukraine, military experts say, as fighting intensifies in the south.

Gift NY Times article here.

The staggeringly high rate of Russian casualties in Ukraine means that President Vladimir V. Putin may not be able to achieve one of his key war objectives: seizing the entire eastern region of the country this year, officials in the Biden administration and military experts say.

With 500 Russian troops killed or wounded every day, according to the latest estimate by American intelligence and military officials, Russia's war effort has decelerated to a grinding slog, the officials said....

...Two American officials said that estimate of Russia's losses included about 20,000 deaths. Of that number, 5,000 are believed to be mercenaries from the Wagner Group...

...American officials say their casualty estimates are based on satellite imagery, communication intercepts, social media and on-the-ground media reports...

...Ukraine has also sustained heavy casualties, the officials say. The Ukrainian government has been reluctant to disclose figures but has said 100 to 200 of its troops were being killed a day...

,,,Mr. Putin has also augmented his ranks with former soldiers. But the battlefield effectiveness of the arrivals "is quite poor," a senior defense official told reporters last month.

"The Russian Army is seriously depleted," said Seth G. Jones, the director of the international security program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies....

,,,The Russian military has lost so many troops that in some cases units have tried to force captured Ukrainians to fight, according to retired Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, who was NATO's supreme allied commander for Europe when Russia annexed Crimea.

"They have a tremendous problem of manpower and an even tougher problem that the manpower they have is not well trained," General Breedlove said in an interview. "Their best units have already been bloodied."​

Hard to know how accurate these reports are, of course. I saw another article somewhere today that claimed many young Russians are saying, "I don't want to fight."
 
Hard to know how accurate these reports are, of course.

The fog of war and propaganda make accuracy difficult, but certain trends have developed.

With 25 western rocket artillery launchers in inventory, Ukraine has the tools to outrange and blunt the Russian's artillery based war fighting doctrine, essentially stopping their ground gaining momentum.

Ukraine's offensive capabilities are on an upward trend, with a 50+ nation allied group contributing systems and training.

Advanced air defense rocket systems will arrive soon, able to shield city-sized areas of Ukraine from most air attacks.





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Another war that the US will be involved in for the next ten or more years. If Russia does move out of Ukraine, will the US supply the money and supplies to rebuild it's factories and infrastructure? How about our own country? Other peoples money only goes so far until other people (the US citizens) money runs out.
 
Another encouragng report

Satellite evidence suggests Russia suffered its worst aircraft loss since Second World War

Military analysts say the full extent of the damage was yet to be learned, with some suggesting Moscow could have lost as many as 20 jets in the attack
"The satellite imagery presents clear indications that the full tally is higher," the War Zone website wrote. The assault, experts said, would also sow further doubt among the Russian military over its abilities to withstand an anticipated Ukrainian counter-offensive in the south of the country....

...The machines cost tens of millions of pounds each, leaving Russia with an estimated $780 million blow in destroyed aircraft.

Oryx estimates Russia has lost at least 47 aircraft since invading Ukraine on Feb. 24, with a fifth of recorded losses happening at Novofedorivka.

The machines cost tens of millions of pounds each, leaving Russia with an estimated $780 million blow in destroyed aircraft.

Two buildings, believed to contain ammunition for the jets, were also wiped out in the blasts, satellite imagery appeared to show....​


The article concludes with this "We call horsepuckey on this nonsense, comrade!" statement from Russia:

Russia's defence ministry said the explosions at the airfield were caused by a "violation of fire safety requirements" near to the munitions, and insisted its jets were undamaged...​
 
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I am reading comments about Offensive Operations ending soon due to winter arriving. "Mother Russia" winter stopped the Germans and largely saved the Russians in W.W. II. I wonder how it will play out with modern equipment and more determined Country?

I don't know that the evolution of weaponry will change the results too much here.
The conflict will remain, though the tactics will switch to winter misery mode. Both sides thrive within the the full brutal extremes of the same climate and neither have the over extended supply lines the Germans faced. They just go across town to resupply.
 
Satellite evidence suggests Russia suffered its worst aircraft loss since Second World War

Military analysts say the full extent of the damage was yet to be learned, with some suggesting Moscow could have lost as many as 20 jets in the attack

When I first read BWZ's post and InformNapalm's report a couple of days ago I was skeptical:

...InformNapalm sources confirm that the strike destroyed eight Su-27 and four S-30SM fighters, as well as five Su-24 bombers, six Mi-8 helicopters and one Il-20 aircraft."...

Twenty-four aircraft! That is one helluva successful attack ... or, um, inadvertent smoking accident!

Better and better!
 
When I first read BWZ's post and InformNapalm's report a couple of days ago I was skeptical:



Twenty-four aircraft! That is one helluva successful attack ... or, um, inadvertent smoking accident!

Better and better!

Not buying the count of 24 from I can see in the photos, but even half that is a good strike.
 
"We've got an awful lot of Vikings now in England"

From a statement by Ben Wallace, British Defense Secretary, regarding the influx of hundreds of military trainers coming to Britain from every Nordic nation, to buttress the mission of training Ukrainian soldiers.


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The fog of war and propaganda make accuracy difficult, but certain trends have developed.

With 25 western rocket artillery launchers in inventory, Ukraine has the tools to outrange and blunt the Russian's artillery based war fighting doctrine, essentially stopping their ground gaining momentum.

Ukraine's offensive capabilities are on an upward trend, with a 50+ nation allied group contributing systems and training.

Advanced air defense rocket systems will arrive soon, able to shield city-sized areas of Ukraine from most air attacks...

Watching the news every day, I'm reminded of how WW2 evolved...

For the first year or so, the Third Reich was unstoppable, marching across Europe, and the future appeared very bleak for Britain and her allies. There were those in the USA who actually supported Germany, and at least some in England who wanted to make peace with Hitler, even at the cost of letting him keep the nations he had conquered.

We're only six months into what will probably be a long struggle for the Ukrainians, but I remain confident of their ultimate victory.

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I doubt that Putin wants to occupy all of Ukraine now.......that would be impossible.

All he needs to do to CONTROL Ukraine is to occupy a narrow strip from the east end around the south edge on the Black Sea and control all the seaports.

By so doing he claims for Russia all the oil and natural gas reserves under the Black Sea--a gain of many trillions of dollars.

He also controls Ukrainian shipping of grain and that gives him huge leverage and power over the rest of the country.

He will accomplish these reasonable goals in a few months and can then take many years to absorb the rest of Ukraine.
 
..He will accomplish these reasonable goals in a few months and can then take many years to absorb the rest of Ukraine.

I think it likely that Putin would like to accomplish these limited goals, having had his military severely mauled trying to take over entire country. But I think Ukraine is now enraged, eager for revenge, and will fight until Russia leaves its territory entirely. I don't think Ukraine will settle for a stalemate.

I do worry that the West may not have the staying power needed to continue to help the Ukrainians defend themselves. I hope we do...
 
I think it likely that Putin would like to accomplish these limited goals, having had his military severely mauled trying to take over entire country. But I think Ukraine is now enraged, eager for revenge, and will fight until Russia leaves its territory entirely. I don't think Ukraine will settle for a stalemate.

I do worry that the West may not have the staying power needed to continue to help the Ukrainians defend themselves. I hope we do...

I don't see any evidence that Putin had any intention of taking over the entire country immediately.

We in the West tend to think in terms of immediate gratification and ASSUME others think the same way.

The Eastern mind is much more patient and thinks in terms of decades rather than months.

When the beautiful and historic city of Odessa is reduced to rubble........Ukrainians may start to ponder the cost of their resistance and pro-Russian factions will gain strength.

As for the staying power of the West.......I think we have already began to question the cost (and the wisdom) of propping up this lost cause.
 
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By "trying to take over the entire country," perhaps I spoke loosely. What I meant was that the initial Russian mission, as I understood it, was to occupy Kiev and replace the current government with a Russian puppet government. Putin, I think, believed he could do this quickly. (Everybody else, except the Ukrainians, seems to have believed this.)

Re we in the West and our assumptions of immediate gratification, I'll comment that the Russians were in Afghanistan for 10 years while we were there for 20...
 
I don't see any evidence that Putin had any intention of taking over the entire country immediately.

Putin attacked Kiev early on...what was the reason for that, if he didn't intend to take over the entire country?

I agree totally with Onomea...the Ukrainians are enraged and energized, and will never settle for a stalemate. If Russia somehow succeeds in occupying the eastern regions of Ukraine, they will have to fight every single day to maintain control, and they will ultimately lose that battle.

No Russian conscript will fight as hard to take Ukraine as the Ukrainians will fight to keep it...
 
INCOMING!!!!

Ukraine just took delivery of eight new ZUZANA 2 self-propelled 155mm Howitzers, purchased from Slovakia.

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Putin attacked Kiev early on...what was the reason for that, if he didn't intend to take over the entire country?

This. It doesn't matter if your military takes over the country or you install a puppet government, you still took over. The attempt to take Gostomel (Hostomel if you prefer) was a clear move to execute a "decapitation" of the sitting Ukrainian government, allowing a takeover.
 
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