The Ultimate One Way Ticket
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I'm thinking muslims have not been the only ones to wipe their behinds with their left hand only.
I am a fan of Dr. Tyson, he was talking about Musk's effort to land on Mars. He broke it down into the difficulty of success, the possibility of loss of life, and expenditure in terms of billions of dollars. He said "That would be a fifteen minute conversation." Mike drop...I completely agree and wonder what that effort and expenditure could accomplish if spent and dedicated to making our Earth more habitable. I do understand that some believe mankind will use this planet up and therefore need to expand out into the cosmos, it just seems shortsighted in my opinion.
The moon race was all about the fear of someone else getting there before we do, when there was an actual space race going on and we don't know for sure what the Chinese are doing on the dark side of the moon. There is so much we could do here and so much we don't know about here
The moon race was all about the fear of someone else getting there before we do, when there was an actual space race going on and we don't know for sure what the Chinese are doing on the dark side of the moon. There is so much we could do here and so much we don't know about here
Barring a major reset by nature such as a extremely deadly pandemic, or a big rock from space or the like, our population will outstrip our ability to grow food. Without more land to plant crops, hunger rules the day. That's if there's enough water to keep people hydrated as well as plants. It's simple math. And it's unavoidable.
Won't happen while we are $37T in the hole and digging deeper.
I have some life experience that might have a bearing on this. Around 50 years ago I had a summer job with the township road department. Part of my duties were to help with maintenance of an old cemetery that had Revolutionary War veterans buried there (just to establish a historical reference). Out of curiosity I looked at the inscriptions on the tombstones. I noticed that there were family groups that were buried together, and sometimes had small tombstones for young children who had died within weeks of each other. Perhaps there was an epidemic going on at the time. There were a lot of graves of people who died in their 70s and 80s. What was striking was the apparent lack of people who died in what we would consider middle age. So according to my somewhat unscientific survey, it seemed that if you were born and made it to around age 15, you had a pretty good chance of making it to 70 or 80.
That was very true.
I too am an old tombstone reader.
Ever notice that prior to about 1925 almost all deaths were in the wintertime?
Infant deaths were so common in the 1700's that little girl's toy doll accessories often included little coffins, I have read.
I have also seen several instances of a very young woman buried next to her infant, with death on the same day or only a few days apart. Sad.
Wow, I hadn't thought of that. I'm going up to a class reunion where that old cemetery is located. I'll have to stop there and get some pictures and check that out.
venomballistics
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a self sustaining ship that'll last for generations .... If it's not an Egyptian pyramid or stonehenge, they aint making it out of telescope range
You would be considered a Wizard or Warlock considering your modern attitudes and knowledge of math, science, medicine and a wealth of other "ordinary" knowledge.
If you were lucky, you might be highly respected but you might also be feared and burned at the stake.
It was called, "The Odyssey".
"A vessel larger than any city Earth had ever conceived, was a sarcophagus of ambition and hope.
Launched two hundred years prior, the multi-generational starship carried the last remnants of humanity on a one-way journey to Kepler-186f."
Another is "Orphans of the Sky" by Robert Heinlein
"A massive interstellar ship that has been traveling for generations, so long that its inhabitants have forgotten its original purpose and believe the ship is their entire universe." trouble ensues.
taz666
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As if.
Consider the risk and expense of explorers when everyone believed the world was flat. Was it worth it?
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I suspect the movie Snowpiercer is a pretty good indication of what that ship would become.
I wonder what the reception would be if 1000 extraterrestrials came to various parts of this world. Would they receive different welcomes in Moscow than in New York? What would they face if they landed in one of the Middle Eastern countries that has had conflict ongoing for decades?
If they all landed as one group I could see almost anyone trying to use their technology to wipe out enemies, real or perceived.
If they all landed as one group I could see almost anyone trying to use their technology to wipe out enemies, real or perceived.
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These stories of inter-generational ships voyaging into space have a certain romance to them, then you look at the reality, the practicality, the nuts and bolts. Expecting people to live in confined quarters cheek by jowl for years on end......in Star Trek they were always making stops at planets, taking on new crew members, old ones leaving. The Navy has Blue and Gold crews for its submarines, they have found "cross" or "hot" decking-giving a sailor back to back tours of sea duty -creates resentment and leads to people leaving. IIRC Noah's Ark was only at sea for a year.
In the Star Trek episode "For the World is Hollow and I have touched the Sky" Kirk , Spock and McCoy encounter a people who don't realize their world is a spaceship and are under the tyranny and cruelty
of the Oracle.
Back in the Day, even well off families at the top of the social pyramid had their share of viccisitudes, health problems. Louis XIV was succeeded by his GREAT grandson Louis XV, George III of England was the GRANDdson of George III. Henry VIII was the second son of Henry VII-if his elder brother had asc- ended to the throne England would actually have had a King Arthur.
James Madison had 10 siblings, 5 of whom never saw their 7th birthday. Robert Todd Lincoln was the oldest-and only -of Abe and Mary's 4 sons to reach adulthood, Willie died of typhoid at 13-while they were in the White House.
In the Star Trek episode "For the World is Hollow and I have touched the Sky" Kirk , Spock and McCoy encounter a people who don't realize their world is a spaceship and are under the tyranny and cruelty
of the Oracle.
Back in the Day, even well off families at the top of the social pyramid had their share of viccisitudes, health problems. Louis XIV was succeeded by his GREAT grandson Louis XV, George III of England was the GRANDdson of George III. Henry VIII was the second son of Henry VII-if his elder brother had asc- ended to the throne England would actually have had a King Arthur.
James Madison had 10 siblings, 5 of whom never saw their 7th birthday. Robert Todd Lincoln was the oldest-and only -of Abe and Mary's 4 sons to reach adulthood, Willie died of typhoid at 13-while they were in the White House.
Rock185
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Fascinating subject, and no doubt someone here can do the math. But even if such a ship could be constructed, and all other issues solved, to make that trip in anything like 250 years, would require relativistic speeds. I have read that at the highest speed Man has been able to achieve to this point, the one way trip would take more like 6,000 years. I don't believe that humans are going to be making interstellar trips; bopping around our solar system, sure. Interstellar; no...
The Movie Passengers.
Jennifer Lawrence, what could be bad about that?
Jennifer Lawrence, what could be bad about that?
Or will there be a midget yelling "da plane boss, da plane"
I think ion engines can approach the speed of light, but the acceleration phase could be very long.
