This guy thinks 9mm IS big enough for self defense!

A good friend of mine is a LEO in Peru. A few years ago he had to shoot a BG. My friend used his off duty weapon, model 10 snubnose with LRN bullets. Two shots center mass was all it took and no more bad guy. My friend told me the trigger finger and the person attached to it is most important.
 
Methinks I will still try to emulate this shooter. :)

What you train to do you will do. Being able to quickly put shots on target, and swap out a mag is perfect. That is what I want to be able to do. My muscles will be trained to do just that.

Once the reflex is automatic, I can spend more time thinking with my head on where the threat is, is the threat over, is there another threat.

Actually I just posted this because I think the shooting is pretty darn good.
 
Shot Placement is the King, Caliber is the Queen, Capacity is the Prince, the Number of rounds you
put into the Target is the Princess and the quality of the Gun is the Joker.

Rule 303
 
Well trained in the weapon he was demo-ing. Realistically, if he can put, what?, 15 rounds on target with that much ease, then he can put 2in the center mass and one to the head just as easy. In my estimation, he made his point with a little theatric flair. Good shootin'
 
When I hear people say that 7-8 rounds of 45 is better than 16 rounds of 9mm I wonder how many fire fights they have been in.
If you look at police shooting stats, there is a hugh difference between the number of shots fired and hits.
If I'm bouncing and weav'n shooting at someone else that is jumping around I think I would stick with the motto= "A hit with a 22cal. is better than a loud miss with a 44mag."
The few friends I know that have really been in eyeball to eyeball gun fights ( military duty and on the streets back home)all say they didn't have time to line up the sights like you would at the range.
So a shot with just a 20% hit probability might be the shot that saves your life, so you take it.
And hope that IF you miss you still have more ammo to keep firing.
So with that said ,,, what do I carry?
- 5 shot model 642!-
 
It does rekindle the nagging doubts in my subconscious... I only got 5 shots.

I'd hate to be on the recieving end of that volume of fire from a BG with a high capacity 9mm.
 
i learned this past weekend at a IDPA match that im not as good of a shot as i thought i was. I have a 9mm M&P, and moving wile shooting is very hard. so i am glad mine has 17+1. I was only allowed to use 10+1 in the chamber with the first mag and 10 in the others. if i did not stop to take aim it was hard to hit were i wanted. I did how ever not have to change mags like my brotherin law. he has a 1911 8 rounds. it seamed like he was constantly changing mags. and he did run out on one match so guess what 2 bad guys that could have goten him. thats out of 3 mags .. so my 2cents is placement of the bullet, gun controle, and the ability to move and shoot duck and cover.. if you can do this very well it dont matter what kind of bullet you have. he actually said he liked the stoping power of his big gun. and i needed to get rid of my squirt gun. i asked him to stand over there and let me shoot him with my squirt gun. HMMM he would not do it for some reason.. :))) and how stressed out has a BIG BIG part in it. I can take aim and hit nails at 10 yards with my gun. but during the match I shot everything but the bad guys. Go figure.. just my 2 cents
 
A hole is a hole is a hole. Put enough holes in a man and he will calm down. Put them in the right place and he will calm down more quickly. Put a lot of holes in him and he will calm down quicker than if you just put a single hole in him. When in doubt, put more holes in him till he is suitably calmed down enough to lie down and stop causing problems. A 9mm is a fine hole maker. So is a .40 S&W. If one has a .45ACP handy, they work well. There are many instances in which the lowly .38 Special has proven to be an effective hole maker. And even a .22 LR will work... if you can shoot.
 
J.P.60 said:
Alas, yes... we have become a society of shooters which measures success in the number of bullets we can place into a bad guy - rather than emphasizing the ease of ending it all with an accurate shot from the neanderthal .45acp. Guns sell, today, based upon magazine capacity and the number of contraptions one can hang off it.

Thank you, but, I am old; carried a Commander for +35 years; and have to pee a lot. My intent is to simply kill the bad guy with shot one or a double tap... and then go pee. I have no time for gunfights or go-zillion round magazines.

This is not to say 9mm won't get the job done, as it seems to be working quite well in every city neighborhood and all over the world. Gang bangers and drug runners love it just as much as LEO's and others.
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I have to laugh at people that poopoo the 9mm as small and weak and then talk up the 45ACP like it spits out some kind of magic voodoo bullets. Face it, in the big picture they are both too weak. They are handguns cartriges.

If the bad guys called ahead what would you really pull out of the safe? A 12ga or an AR.

Everything about guns is a compromise. With handguns we give up power for size.
 
I don't know why so many put the 9mm down. Personally, I have nothing chambered for it, thus I don't use it, but I certainly would not want to take one (or 15) to the chest with it.

My carry platform is 12 rounds of 357- 7 in a 686, 5 in an M&P 340. I sometimes wonder about getting something that carries more rounds, but revolvers are what I "know" and shoot best, so I stick with them.
 
It's fun to watch is all. Who cares what calibre it is. I don't think he was trying to make a scientific or tactical statement. Just having some fun.
 
If you want to get really technical, the chances of hitting a BG with one or two well-placed shots that will stop 'em dead in their tracks is very small. Moving target, adrenaline dump, evasion on your part (if needed) and shooting proficiency to begin with are all factors that cannot be replicated unless you are in that situation. Recent stats have shown that police (those supposedly trained in the use of firearms) only shoot and kill the BG 22% of the time they actually fire. If the LEOs are receiving any kind of fire in return, the number drops to 9%.

Realistically speaking, in a SD situation, you want multiple holes around the center mass area. Assuming you don't get an instant heart or head shot (which we now know to be unlikely) you want as many holes as possible so the BG will bleed out and go into shock. Two holes are better than 1. 3 holes are better than 2, etc. Bigger holes are better than smaller ones. Keep on shooting until the threat is gone.

Then go puke. It's going to be messy.
 
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