Thoughts on carry guns

[Smoke]

The reason the Army wanted a .45 caliber pistol in 1911 was for killing horses in Serbia in WWI!

I want to know what kind of Intel the Army was getting that they knew 3 years before the war even started that they'd be killing horses in Serbia in 7 years :rofl:

 

[Capn]

If the 32 was a desirable load everyone would be carrying them .. but since larger caliber is the rounds of choice for probably 99% of conceal carriers .. and most don't own anything in that caliber ..

Myself I know no one that carries that round for protection..

Your statement is lacking in veracity !!

I carried a Seecamp .32 and a Keltec P32 for about a year and a half, and can't say I felt under gunned. .32 acp may not be a top choice for ccw, but even a .25 will get the job done with proper shot placement. The little Seecamp shines at arm length or contact distance. Anyway, once I tried a friend's lock breech Kahr .380 that had a great trigger and usable sights, I sold off the .32's and replaced them with two Kahrs. Some people look down on .380 too, but I feel well armed.

 

[F75gunslinger]

The 1911 is nothing more that Military Scrapped Junk and the worst gun ever designed. Like the Ford Model T, you just got to keep rebuilding them so they keep working.

This **** again ? Do you have nothing better to do ?

So, why the disparity?

Real world performance basically.

 

[Old Arkansawyer]

I have carried a .22 mag and not felt unprotected. Also, how many verified black bear attacks on humans do we have per year or 10 years in the USA? We have a good population of black bears and a few mountain lions in Arkansas and I can not remember any attacks on humans. Just do not get between a mama bear and her cubs and let them be.

 

[Protected One]

You went through a LOT of handguns to come to that conclusion!

I agree with you about the Shield 9mm being the ideal CCW for EDC.

 

[Muss Muggins]

If the 32 was a desirable load everyone would be carrying them .. but since larger caliber is the rounds of choice for probably 99% of conceal carriers .. and most don't own anything in that caliber ..

Myself I know no one that carries that round for protection..

Your statement is lacking in veracity !!

I've been known to carry a Kel-Tec P-32 at times. Good pocket pistol . . .

 

[SMSgt]

My TN cousins have killed more black bears with a .22 Mag than most people will ever see in a lifetime.

Too many overthink what firearm to carry. Get one you shoot well and carry it. It's not a "Carry-Gun-of-the-Month" club.

 

[M29since14]

...Too many overthink what firearm to carry. Get one you shoot well and carry it. It's not a "Carry-Gun-of-the-Month" club.

Killjoy!

You're right, of course, but I've never seen a gun hobbyist yet who owned and used only one handgun. I've known several individuals who owned only one handgun, but they didn't use them and couldn't have been fairly called a gun hobbyist.

I did have one dear friend who came close though. He had two - a small one that he would carry on occasion (a little Beretta tip-up .22, a Model 21?), and some sort of Ruger .357 stainless steel double-action revolver that he kept for use around his home. Most frugal gun-guy I've ever known. One time he told me he was a bit embarrassed to admit he had somehow come to own two trap guns, and since he couldn't shoot both at once he was going to have to get rid of one.

 

[fredj338]

I'd have to see that 45 acp not penetrating a navy pea coat.

Could it happen, sure, people win the lottery too. A single anecdotal event means nothing. Not to mention I believe nothing RC says.

 

[fredj338]

My TN cousins have killed more black bears with a .22 Mag than most people will ever see in a lifetime.

Too many overthink what firearm to carry. Get one you shoot well and carry it. It's not a "Carry-Gun-of-the-Month" club.

Yes but ambushing a bear over bait or in a tree with a head shot is not defending yourself in a fight with an armed attacker. The avg shooter can not make a standing headshot on demand in say a very long 2sec. Put the head in motion, shooter in motion, lets make it night time, yeah headshots, not gonna happen but by accident.

 

[serger]

To get back on topic, I prefer a 36 to 45 caliber pocket gun if I
need it. So I've got some J frames (442 & 640's) for revolvers.
In 9mm I've got some Kahr CM-9's for pistols. As far as 40's go,
the Shield works fine. Another one would be the Glock 23. Both
of these are a little big but in the winter up here you can't see
them when you're wearing a Parka.

The 45 is a Star PD I got in the 70's. It's just a hardball gun but it
runs fine.

I did buy a StarBM and it's verra, verra nice. Based on the caveats
I see for ammunition use I wonder how the Guardia Civil got non-
Nato Spec ammunition for it. I'm trying to decide how to put it
in my winter coat & I"ve still got about 6 weeks to figure that out.

 

[fredj338]

Went to the range last Friday with two snub revolvers. And I rented a Sig P238. The P238 is a 380 1911 style gun. (I bought one last week and decided to try the rental while waiting for the 10 day period to end.).

My buddy came with his Glock and a revolver.

Anyway, after about 10 shots with the Glock the end broke off his plastic recoil spring guide rod and went flying down range. He was left high and dry with a nonfunctional Glock, so finished the range session with his revolver.

BTW, that P238 shot really well and accurately even from the first magazine.

Didn't seem like the worst gun ever designed.

My friend doesn't blame the Glock, however, since he never changed the recoil spring/guide rod in the 16 years he had the gun.

Most of us will replace the recoil springs in our guns about 6k rds. In a Glo j, many replace the plastic with steel. Adds a bit of up front weight & removes the plastic breaking issue.

 

[SMSgt]

Yes but ambushing a bear over bait or in a tree with a head shot is not defending yourself in a fight with an armed attacker. The avg shooter can not make a standing headshot on demand in say a very long 2sec. Put the head in motion, shooter in motion, lets make it night time, yeah headshots, not gonna happen but by accident.

Well . . . they're east TN mountain boys who could definitely defend themselves with a .22 Mag. I've seen them shoot. I'm pretty good, if I must say so, but they can embarrass me to no end when they decide to put this flatlander in his place.

 

[Mainsail]

I know I sound like a broken record, but before you pick the gun, come to reality with the prioritization of the carry compromises first.

All concealed carry is a compromise between comfort, conceal-ability, effective gun/caliber, and accessibility. Pocket carry is more concealable but not the fastest access, and doesn't allow a regular sized gun (that we all shoot better and more accurately).

Some of us older folks remember when concealed carry permits were hard to get, if not impossible. So in those days if you felt like you needed the sidearm, you concealed illegally. It took me a while to get over the nervousness that someone might discover I was carrying even though I have a license to do so. Once I realized that open carry was lawful (here) I never worried about my concealed carry again. Thus, concealment is the lowest priority for me. This allows me to comfortably (OWB) carry a regular sized gun (P229, P320, 1911), in an effective caliber (.357 or .45) with a gun in which I have confidence (can hit a target at any reasonable self-defense distance I may encounter).

If someone sees a lump, or even the muzzle if I'm reaching for something, that's far less important to me than comfort or any of the others.

So, not to answer your question but merely to give you some food for thought.

 

[jtcarm]

That OLD pic of a Native woman killing that BIG bear with a 22 lr??? I'd bet that bear noticed, if it didn't die instantly.

Actually it was a .22 Long.
.22 Long Rifle must've been her elephant round.

I've tried a Glook. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, but I'm a total revolver guy. I carry a 3" M64.
Carrying IWB in a summer special, I've never seen a reason to carry a pocket pistol.