I actually figured this one out (yea me) but I thought I would share. At the range shooting my K-38 suddenly I couldn't get the cylinder to close with out forcing it and then it wouldn't rotate. I have another K-38 that I kept comparing it to. The cylinders seemed identical as far as position and slack. I was ready to post here looking for help and/or head off to a smith. But, the first rule is to make sure everything is clean. Right? To shorten the story there are two indexing holes on the extractor that match up with pins on the cylinder. Apparently there was just enough buildup of grit and dirt in the holes that prevented the extractor to fit tightly with the cylinder. A little work with a dental pick and voila, everything works. If you can't follow my description just go look at cylinder and extractor, you'll see what I mean.