TISAS ?

[MelvinWalker]

It's not that Colts are bad, it's that they aren't really any better than the others. Given they're the legacy leader, and for the money they charge, there shouldn't be any defects. Things like extractors without tension, creepy triggers and ill fit thumb safeties shouldn't occur on guns costing over a grand. But they regularly occur on Colts.

If I have to adjust an extractor, or clean up a trigger, why would I want to do that on a gun costing near a grand, when I can do it on a gun costing four hundred dollars?

This is the best summation of the Colt 1911 that I have read...Bravo

 

[bobsguns]

Are these Tisas 1911s as good as the Springfield Mil-Spec or recent lower priced Colts?

I own a SA Mil-Spec but with changed sights & bbl. Yes, I'd say a Tisas is every bit as good as the OEM Mil-Spec.

My only Colt is a TALO model in .38Super. I've never heard of a "lower priced Colt". Did not know such a thing existed............

 

[bobsguns]

There isn't a single objective metric anyone can use to refute that.

I counter with resale value. While I admire the Tisas line, I also acknowledge the financial reality of the used gun world.

 

[bobsguns]

Or, you can spend a few bucks on a sear spring from Cylinder & Slide. That'll solve the problem.

I thought Bill Laughridge retired? And that he couldn't find a decent buyer? Did something change?

 

[bobsguns]

The AR fanbois are the worst of all....

The modern AR lower is the exact same whether it has PSA, S&W, Spikes Tactical or any other rollmark. There are multiple torture tests on YouTube and the $400 AR fares about as well as the $2000 AR

Uhmm, yeah, no.

Many of the lower priced AR lowers have been well-known to have out of spec holes in the lower. Wrong place, wrong size, you name it & it happened. Anderson was one company that had those issues, I doubt they were alone on that.

There is also a large variation in the alloy mix on lowers. I'm not a chemist, so I can't explain what those variations are, which ones are better, etc. But I have held ARs from companies like Black Rain, Daniel Defense, etc. There is a definite difference in how the lower felt from the cheap one to the $2K one. Now, would the cheap lower work with the $2K upper? Probably. Now, do you want to stake YOUR life on that? *I* wouldn't.

My .o2

 

[Trooper224]

I counter with resale value. While I admire the Tisas line, I also acknowledge the financial reality of the used gun world.

It depends on whether you look at your guns as tools or investments. If the latter, we have nothing further to debate.

I have firearms that can be seen as investments. They're niether Tisas, or new production Colts. You're attempting false equivalency.

 

[bobsguns]

It depends on whether you look at your guns as tools or investments. If the latter, we have nothing further to debate.

I have firearms that can be seen as investments. They're niether Tisas, or new production Colts. You're attempting false equivalency.

You spin more than a liberal press secretary.

You think owners never trade-in a gun or sell it to buy a different one?

But you are correct in that we have nothing further.

 

[MelvinWalker]

Uhmm, yeah, no.

Many of the lower priced AR lowers have been well-known to have out of spec holes in the lower. Wrong place, wrong size, you name it & it happened. Anderson was one company that had those issues, I doubt they were alone on that.

There is also a large variation in the alloy mix on lowers. I'm not a chemist, so I can't explain what those variations are, which ones are better, etc. But I have held ARs from companies like Black Rain, Daniel Defense, etc. There is a definite difference in how the lower felt from the cheap one to the $2K one. Now, would the cheap lower work with the $2K upper? Probably. Now, do you want to stake YOUR life on that? *I* wouldn't.

My .o2

Ummm yeah...In the 20 years they have been in business, Palmetto State Armory has sold hundreds of thousands of either complete rifles, complete lowers or stripped lowers. They are not "out of spec", or they'd be out of business.

With modern CNC tooling, there is no backyard drill press out of line holes, harbor freight feeler gauges and zip ties from the Khyber pass and all the problems that come with that bubba gunsmithing.

There is also no "explaining" the aluminum metallurgy differences because there are none.... PSA uses 7075-T6 aluminum for their lowers. That is aircraft grade industry standard.... Guess what Daniel Defense uses for their lowers? That's right, 7075-T6 aluminum.

Those out-of-spec days are over and have been for over a decade. Every lower made is an exact clone of the one made a minute before. Besides, the AR15 lower receiver doesn't "receive" anything, the upper does. There is very little recoil stress on an AR lower to begin with.

 

[Sam D]

I've learned that if everyone has a problem with all your posts, the problem MAY not be them...............

Just sayin'..................

Pot, Kettle, Black?

Just sayin'

 

[wood714]

Uhmm, yeah, no.

Many of the lower priced AR lowers have been well-known to have out of spec holes in the lower. Wrong place, wrong size, you name it & it happened. Anderson was one company that had those issues, I doubt they were alone on that.

There is also a large variation in the alloy mix on lowers. I'm not a chemist, so I can't explain what those variations are, which ones are better, etc. But I have held ARs from companies like Black Rain, Daniel Defense, etc. There is a definite difference in how the lower felt from the cheap one to the $2K one. Now, would the cheap lower work with the $2K upper? Probably. Now, do you want to stake YOUR life on that? *I* wouldn't.

My .o2

Not all companies make their own lowers. Some buy unmarked ones and roll mark or engrave their names on them.

Anderson Manufacturing: Known for budget-friendly lowers, they may also produce lowers for other brands.
Cerro Forge & Anchor Harvey: Forging companies that supply raw forgings to other manufacturers. Think Colt.
Palmetto State Armory (PSA): Some PSA lowers are manufactured by Aero Precision.
I have 7 AR's by 4 different manufacturers. I'd bet if I taped over the names you'd never be able to tell the difference in any of them.
Only bad part I ever got for an AR was a stripped BRN A1 upper from Brownells a couple years ago. The forward assist holes were off. Even they had no clue how it happened.
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[Targetshooter08]

...It's not that Colts are bad, it's that they aren't really any better than the others. Given they're the legacy leader, and for the money they charge, there shouldn't be any defects. Things like extractors without tension, creepy triggers and ill fit thumb safeties shouldn't occur on guns costing over a grand. But they regularly occur on Colts.

If I have to adjust an extractor, or clean up a trigger, why would I want to do that on a gun costing near a grand, when I can do it on a gun costing four hundred dollars?...

I wonder if this is due to Colt's employees belonging to a union.

 

[Targetshooter08]

The AR fanbois are the worst of all....

The modern AR lower is the exact same whether it has PSA, S&W, Spikes Tactical or any other rollmark. There are multiple torture tests on YouTube and the $400 AR fares about as well as the $2000 AR

This isn't what instructors of classes say when hundreds of rounds are fired.

 

[Glenn R. McMannly]

I didn't know the Tokarev copies were available.

 

[Targetshooter08]

Ummm yeah...In the 20 years they have been in business, Palmetto State Armory has sold hundreds of thousands of either complete rifles, complete lowers or stripped lowers. They are not "out of spec", or they'd be out of business...

There's a higher chance of issues with PSA stuff compared to brands like S&W, Ruger, Colt, etc. A lot of people send things back to PSA due to problems with them.

 

[Targetshooter08]

I didn't know the Tokarev copies were available.

Neither did I. I hope someone will fill us in.

 

[Targetshooter08]

I own a SA Mil-Spec but with changed sights & bbl. Yes, I'd say a Tisas is every bit as good as the OEM Mil-Spec.

My only Colt is a TALO model in .38Super. I've never heard of a "lower priced Colt". Did not know such a thing existed............

I was referring to their basic models. I don't recall what they call them these days.

 

[rockquarry]

The AR fanbois are the worst of all....

The modern AR lower is the exact same whether it has PSA, S&W, Spikes Tactical or any other rollmark. There are multiple torture tests on YouTube and the $400 AR fares about as well as the $2000 AR

Is there any real purpose or validity to YouDupe "torture" testing other than an attempt at lowering someone's IQ? Certainly a sharp bunch of guys doing the "testing" as well.

 

[Trooper224]

I wonder if this is due to Colt's employees belonging to a union.

Colt has had labor problems since the begining of the company. So, in that sense it's nothing new. But, like I said it's not really a case of Colt being worse, but rather about the same, at greater cost.

So, we see similar QC issues across a range of companies, who are making the same product. But, doing it in different countries with different labor practices. With that in mind I think it's a bit simplistic to blame it on union issues.

 

[MelvinWalker]

This isn't what instructors of classes say when hundreds of rounds are fired.

Their opinion, which means two things: 1) Jack and 2) Well, you know...

But then if I think about it, I rarely ever go to any firearm training/gathering/event where bragging and nose-in-the-air behavior doesn't commence when someone pulls out a firearm that doesn't meet the elite test of that given instructor.

A few years ago, I was getting my Florida G armed security license. The testosterone was so high in the room, that the instructor verbally berated a member of the class because he was qualifying with a new in box S&W SD9VE 9mm.

 

[MelvinWalker]

Is there any real purpose or validity to YouDupe "torture" testing other than an attempt at lowering someone's IQ? Certainly a sharp bunch of guys doing the "testing" as well.

I think this has been mentioned on here before.

It is done to prove the $2000 Daniel Defense AR15 doesn't do any better than the $500 PSA when rapid fired with multiple magazines in succession or thrown off a garage roof a few times.