Tombstone Territory (TV Show) and a Cowboy Question

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I found this series on FETV this morning while waiting on the family to get dressed for church. The intro says the episodes are based on stories straight out of the Tombstone Epitaph newspaper, pretty cool. I have watched two episodes so far and I like it!

In the series the sheriff, Clay Hollister, wears two guns. So I got to wondereding, in the old west did men really wear two guns? It seems to me to be an expensive thing for the time, maybe? I tried googeling images of old west cowboys, but all I could find was the studio type photos when they were all dressed up and likely not looking like they did from day to day. When I was a little kid I had a two gun buscadero rig....but I don't think that counts as history, lol.

Any old west historians around that might know?
 
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That two-gun sheriff wouldn't
have had a chance against
Four-Gun Johnny nor Johnny's
much bigger brother, known
as Six-Gun Tommy.

That's my historical answer and
I'm sticking to it.
 
During the Civil War it was not unusual for cavalry troops to carry 2 or more revolvers, which allowed a greater volume of fire between the tedious reloading process for cap & ball revolvers. I suspect that such practices continued after the war when large numbers of people were heading west to the newly opened territories, where hostile tribes and outlaws preyed upon travelers without much hope for either law enforcement or military help.

How common the practice may have been in established communities, particularly after cartridge guns became the norm, is anybody's guess. Hide-out pistols were probably fairly common with certain elements of the population. A back-up gun may have been something that was utilized by those anticipating violent encounters.

The buscadero-style holster rigs are purely a Hollywood invention. Low slung holsters and tied-down rigs are also myths perpetuated by decades of movies and TV shows. Handguns in general were not nearly as common as portrayed in popular entertainment. Rifles and shotguns were far more practical for most people.

Shooting from horseback is also something seen in many movies and TV shows. Ask anyone with experience riding horses how well that might work out in the real world. It is probably possible to train a horse to accept sudden loud gunfire in close proximity to sensitive ears, but that in itself would be a major undertaking, highly unlikely for any but a very few.

The popularized gun fights with two or more people facing off in the street and relying on a fast draw are also fictional. Those walking into dangerous situations would have their weapons in hand and ready to fire, and the rifle or shotgun would have been chosen in any situation that allowed for such choices.
 
The show is excellent, but fictional. On YouTube, many episodes.

The real story of Tombstone is well known, the Earp bros. and Doc Holliday vs. the crooked sheriff and the Clanton thugs, neither side wholly virtuous.

Movies have been made about the gunfight at the OK Corral and history books give details.

Ordinary citizens probably didn't wear two guns, but those more likely to see violence, feuds, and range wars did.

Wyatt Earp described being armed to the teeth meaning two revolvers, a Winchester in a saddle scabbard, and a shotgun hung on the saddle horn.

Face-offs between skilled men were uncommon; both would be killed. Ambushes were likely, the 1881 Corral fight being a notable exception.
 
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Wild Bill's pair were Colt .36 Navy model, ivory handles, engraved.

He was killed in 1876, apparently without changing to cartridge guns.

He probably owned a Bowie knife, but that in his belt in the photo was for the camera, to show it. No one wears a bare blade loose in his belt that way.
 
During the Civil War it was not unusual for cavalry troops to carry 2 or more revolvers, which allowed a greater volume of fire between the tedious reloading process for cap & ball revolvers. I suspect that such practices continued after the war when large numbers of people were heading west to the newly opened territories, where hostile tribes and outlaws preyed upon travelers without much hope for either law enforcement or military help.

How common the practice may have been in established communities, particularly after cartridge guns became the norm, is anybody's guess. Hide-out pistols were probably fairly common with certain elements of the population. A back-up gun may have been something that was utilized by those anticipating violent encounters.

The buscadero-style holster rigs are purely a Hollywood invention. Low slung holsters and tied-down rigs are also myths perpetuated by decades of movies and TV shows. Handguns in general were not nearly as common as portrayed in popular entertainment. Rifles and shotguns were far more practical for most people.

Shooting from horseback is also something seen in many movies and TV shows. Ask anyone with experience riding horses how well that might work out in the real world. It is probably possible to train a horse to accept sudden loud gunfire in close proximity to sensitive ears, but that in itself would be a major undertaking, highly unlikely for any but a very few.

The popularized gun fights with two or more people facing off in the street and relying on a fast draw are also fictional. Those walking into dangerous situations would have their weapons in hand and ready to fire, and the rifle or shotgun would have been chosen in any situation that allowed for such choices.

Wouldn't cavalry horses have been trained to gunfire? Mosby, etc. certainly fired from the saddle during the Civil War and later, well into the .45 auto era.

Saber use was also common. And Churchill used a C-96 Mauser from the saddle in the charge at Omdurman. Said he killed several men, prob. others. His sword arm was injured in a polo accident.

See, My Early Life, 1930, and the film, Young Winston.

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Maybe not relevant, but it wasn't uncommon for pirates to wear multiple flintlock pistols. IIRC, Blackbeard was famous (infamous?) for having up to 6 pistols in his belt.
 
Wouldn't cavalry horses have been trained to gunfire? Mosby, etc. certainly fired from the saddle during the Civil War and later

Even today, there are competitions in which folks ride through a course of fire shooting balloons with blanks from single action revolvers. Those horses are very well trained. The women competing are fantastic gun handlers and display marvelous skills on horseback.

Outside those competitions, shooting a gun while on most saddle horses guarantees a rodeo.
 
During the Civil War it was not unusual for cavalry troops to carry 2 or more revolvers, which allowed a greater volume of fire between the tedious reloading process for cap & ball revolvers. I suspect that such practices continued after the war when large numbers of people were heading west to the newly opened territories ...
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People who have survived rough periods such as service in the Civil War would likely have maintained the practices that contributed to their survival, especially if they were going to be part of exploring the rougher new parts of the country.
 
Horses can be trained to not
react violently to gunfire but
it still is not a good idea to
shoot over their heads because
of their sensitive ears/hearing.

In the days of dozens of B-Westerns
a lot of horses were ruined because
of the shooting and also the use
of trip wires, which often resulted
in their legs being broken. They
were as expendable as the blank
ammunition.
 
I think I could shoot off of my mules, at least one time before I hit the ground.
The fur trapper mountain men often carried two single shot black powder
pistols and probably a knife and hawk.

Wild Bill killed Davis Tutt in 1865 in Springfield, Mo. in a duel reported to be at a distance of 75 yards. Tutt shot first and Wild Bill took careful aim
and drilled him through the chest with a 36 cal. cap and ball pistol. Who
says 9mm aren't deadly?
John Wesley Hardin also had several duels, the first when he was 16 years
old. Again over a card game.
 
Wouldn't cavalry horses have been trained to gunfire? Mosby, etc. certainly fired from the saddle during the Civil War and later, well into the .45 auto era.

Saber use was also common. And Churchill used a C-96 Mauser from the saddle in the charge at Omdurman. Said he killed several men, prob. others. His sword arm was injured in a polo accident.

See, My Early Life, 1930, and the film, Young Winston.

Young Winston - British cavalry charge at Omdurman - YouTube

Training a horse to gunfire is one thing. Training a horse to respond to hands, knees, and heels is another thing. Subjecting any horse to gunfire over his head (and very sensitive ears) without some warning that we are in a war zone here, that is something else.

The horse you rode every day for months of tedious chores is not the same as the horse engaged in a cavalry charge against rifle and artillery fire. Horses usually have very sensitive hearing and a sense of smell that surpasses anything humans are capable of. When startled by sudden loud noises, or surprised by unusual odors, horses can be a handful or more to deal with.

Even John Wayne would have had a tough time staying in the saddle on Old Dollar if he chose to whip out his Colt and shoot suddenly after a few weeks on the trail.
 
Following my Civil War relatives in the Michigan Cavalry Brigade, I have read that they surely did train horses for gunfire. Issued a carbine, saber and a revolver, Union troopers may have carried a spare revolver if they could get one. Records of issues shows they went through .44s like candy bars. Regiments trained to fight on foot with carbines, or to be saber regiments. They could do both, of course.
The competition was more into revolvers than Union boys is what I have seen. A pair and a couple more in saddle holsters if they could.
Most effective shooting was with the long guns, and while on foot.
A most welcome, unfair advantage came with breech loaders, and then repeaters. Yeah, survivors who went West would have known things.
Read a guy named Longacre for a good time.
 
"Movies have been made about the gunfight at the OK Corral and history books give details." And pulp fiction writers put the fight at the OK Corral even though it took place two blocks away in an alley between Allen Street and Fremont.
 
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