Total Vindication.

[Rob1]

After much thought and feedback from the good members of the forum as to possible sights/optics I managed to pick up an ACOG with a la Rue RCO mount as part of a deal I made that included Tacticool Charging Handle and 2 FDE mags to name but a few of the items.

After a trip to the range and a few mags of spot adjust spot adjust I have now zeroed the sight and it is SWEET!!!!

I know there are many who rebuff the use of expensive sight systems on a medium cost forearm after reading all the comments and feeds on here.

In response all I can say is that I am very chuffed with what I got for a ride on mower that I no longer needed.

As I can now group 1/4 to 1/2 inch unsupported in the prone position at 70yds I am confident I will have lots of fun chasing down those nocturnal critters along with plenty of cans bottles large items of fruit ( seem to be lots of those on U tube running round in the wild) and anything else that is daft enough to present itself to me.

Happy as a pig in .....!

Pics to follow when I finish the last little touches I have planned.

Feeling completely secure with the cost of purchase for the system and the extras now I can get out and FULLY enjoy

Happy days!!!!!!

 

[TheMaineEvent]

At the end of the day, when it comes to shooting, what matters most is that you're happy with your set up.

Glad you enjoy your ACOG. I certainly wouldn't mind having one.

 

[Brett248Vista]

Post it up! Wanna see that bad boy! Congrats on the purchase

 

[MichiganScott]

More power to you. I know some rifle hunters that use scopes that cost more than their rifle. They certainly spend less time behind the scope than any .22 owner does.

 

[cxwrench]

If I could make a deal like that I'd have one myself! Looking forward to seeing your set-up.

 

[Vinney47]

Congratulations are certainly in order. First, for acquiring an ACOG. That's an exciting day for anyone. Second, on somehow getting a 15-22 that shoots 1/4" groups @ 70 yards. Just out of curiosity, what was your group size before the ACOG?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

"chuffed"?

Sometimes it's difficult to believe you Brits and us Yankees are speaking the same language. I've been watching a lot of BBC America lately and, at times, find myself wishing there were subtitles.

On the ACOG, nice pick-up. I for one appreciate quality optics and do not subscribe to the theory that you should downgrade your choice of optic based on the perceived ability of the firearm. Also, I wouldn't want it to be self-fulfilling that a poor optic makes you shoot the firearm that much worse. A good optic can make shooting all that more accurate and fun.

 

[roadkill45]

they always say optics x 2 of cost of rifle! at least in my area. I've used the ACOG M-4 config in the Army and they are a great sighting system. currently i'm an EO man but that was a hella deal you got.
i'd be 'chuffed' also, but i'd more than likely be 'chubbed'!!!!!!

i love trading, great trade!

 

[Elmerviking]

If you can group 1/4 inch at 70 yards with your 15-22 you must be extremely lucky to get such an accurate gun. You must also be a world class shooter. What ammo did you use? Can you post some pictures of your targets?
I am very happy with my 15-22, but can only get that kind of groups at 25 yards.
Sincerely
Elmerviking

 

[RedNeck Jim]

If you can group 1/4 inch at 70 yards with your 15-22 you must be extremely lucky to get such an accurate gun.

Certainly not the norm. Since the 15-22 is a 3 MOA rifle, at 70 yards one would expect 2" groups... with the gun locked down in a vise.

1/4" at 70 yards is better than my CZ bolt action. That would be a sub MOA gun as opposed to the normal 3 MOA one. I would hold on to that gun. He is doing that unsupported so imagine what that gun could do locked down.

 

[sithlord]

Certainly not the norm. Since the 15-22 is a 3 MOA rifle, at 70 yards one would expect 2" groups... with the gun locked down in a vise.

1/4" at 70 yards is better than my CZ bolt action. That would be a sub MOA gun as opposed to the normal 3 MOA one. I would hold on to that gun. He is doing that unsupported so imagine what that gun could do locked down.

It all depends on how many rounds are used in your 'grouping' calculation.

Although the term group does tend to mean more than 1, we all have 1 shot 1/4" spreads...



I think the point here is that without pictures, there aren't too many of us that are buying that the OP is single-hole'ing at 70 yards with a 15-22. Maybe 70 feet (25-yards), but even then, we'd expect a 1" spread or so with a stock 15-22.

 

[Rob1]

When purchased the "Gun" was shooting 3/4 to 1 inch groups with irons at approx 35 yds which I didn't think was particularly that good, so with some tinkering and the new sight I was presuming that what I could now group was "reasonable" for some one who has been shooting for over 25 years, I did say 1/4 to 1/2 as there is some inconsistency which could be me, the ammo, bodily movement etc. optic does make up for "old eyes" as some of you refer to them but after reading some of the posts on here I figured setting up and shooting at 70 would be a good bench mark, I have seen others post similar type groups / distances so didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary. I don't really get the MOA thing as I have always worked with Mean Point of Impact ( MPI ) Must be part of the Trans-Atlantic translation thing LOL a bit like me being "chuffed" (very happy) with the set up . as for targets they are mostly in bits out on a field now but if and when I drop some shots on paper again I will try and get some pics for posting, ( I don't generally shoot paper once i'm zeroed ). For those that were interested there is a couple of shots of the now Zeroed "Rifle". I was always taught that a "Gun" refers to either a Shotgun or Field Artillery.. LOL

Please don't be offended by my "dry" sense of humor, my intention is not to offend simply to hi-light the difference in use of language and terminology.

Mark

 

[Rob1]

It all depends on how many rounds are used in your 'grouping' calculation.

Although the term group does tend to mean more than 1, we all have 1 shot 1/4" spreads...



I think the point here is that without pictures, there aren't too many of us that are buying that the OP is single-hole'ing at 70 yards with a 15-22. Maybe 70 feet (25-yards), but even then, we'd expect a 1" spread or so with a stock 15-22.

3 - 5 rds in my book counts as a group, key holing I am most definitely not saying. And yes I do know the difference between FEET YARDS METERS....

 

[sithlord]

When purchased the "Gun" was shooting 3/4 to 1 inch groups with irons at approx 35 yds which I didn't think was particularly that good, so with some tinkering and the new sight I was presuming that what I could now group was "reasonable" for some one who has been shooting for over 25 years, I did say 1/4 to 1/2 as there is some inconsistency which could be me, the ammo, bodily movement etc. optic does make up for "old eyes" as some of you refer to them but after reading some of the posts on here I figured setting up and shooting at 70 would be a good bench mark, I have seen others post similar type groups / distances so didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary. I don't really get the MOA thing as I have always worked with Mean Point of Impact ( MPI ) Must be part of the Trans-Atlantic translation thing LOL a bit like me being "chuffed" (very happy) with the set up . as for targets they are mostly in bits out on a field now but if and when I drop some shots on paper again I will try and get some pics for posting, ( I don't generally shoot paper once i'm zeroed ). For those that were interested there is a couple of shots of the now Zeroed "Rifle". I was always taught that a "Gun" refers to either a Shotgun or Field Artillery.. LOL

Please don't be offended by my "dry" sense of humor, my intention is not to offend simply to hi-light the difference in use of language and terminology.

Mark

MOA = Minute of Angle.

At 100 yards, 1 MOA = 1". The 15-22 is typically in the 2-4 MOA range, meaning that we would expect, following a bell curve, that most 15-22 rifles shoot 3 MOA. At 70 yards, 3 MOA is about 2.5". You are shooting sub MOA, or below 1 MOA at 70 yards, somewhere around .75 MOA. Either you won the lottery with your rifle, or something isn't adding up.

Zeroing doesn't matter.. That just means that you have accuracy. The sub MOA means you have precision. There was a post about the difference a few weeks ago.

What ammo (match, bulk)?

 

[trebor127]

MOA = Minute of Angle.

At 100 yards, 1 MOA = 1". The 15-22 is typically in the 2-4 MOA range, meaning that we would expect, following a bell curve, that most 15-22 rifles shoot 3 MOA. At 70 yards, 3 MOA is about 2.5". You are shooting sub MOA, or below 1 MOA at 70 yards, somewhere around .75 MOA. Either you won the lottery with your rifle, or something isn't adding up.

Zeroing doesn't matter.. That just means that you have accuracy. The sub MOA means you have precision. There was a post about the difference a few weeks ago.

What ammo (match, bulk)?

WOW all those figures make my head hurt

Maybe Rob's grouping was based more on 2 shots rather than

3-5 shots

Mark my sights are still coming

keith

 

[CJ45lc]

I am happy you got your rifle set up the way you want it Mark even if I was one of the party poopers that was not to keen on one putting that much $$$ into an optic. The main thing is you have it like you want it.

Sounds like you have a pretty good shooting rifle, enjoy

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

.25in groups at 70yds... sounds like Fed bulk pack.

I don't think I could get .25in groups with my 15-22 if the muzzle was touching the paper.

 

[Rob1]

WOW all those figures make my head hurt

Maybe Rob's grouping was based more on 2 shots rather than

3-5 shots

Mark my sights are still coming

keith

Keith,
Is that for the real tree? Man that must be sooo frustrating!!

I was getting so fed up waiting for good weather and optics to get out and just shoot. I don't like "wasting ammo" but do like to shoot.

I am stunned at this tech info that has come in. But hey ho!

How
HoPe you get them soon mate. Will soon be time to change the clocks again and dark nights return. Though that should not prove a problem with the "Gucci Tac Lamp" that I saw you post.

How you getting on with the rifle? Had many rounds through it yet?

Mark.

 

[Rob1]

MOA = Minute of Angle.

At 100 yards, 1 MOA = 1". The 15-22 is typically in the 2-4 MOA range, meaning that we would expect, following a bell curve, that most 15-22 rifles shoot 3 MOA. At 70 yards, 3 MOA is about 2.5". You are shooting sub MOA, or below 1 MOA at 70 yards, somewhere around .75 MOA. Either you won the lottery with your rifle, or something isn't adding up.

Zeroing doesn't matter.. That just means that you have accuracy. The sub MOA means you have precision. There was a post about the difference a few weeks ago.

What ammo (match, bulk)?

To clear this up in my mind then, I can have a zeroed (accurate ) rifle and I can be a precise marksman when placing my shots, (using an optic) that helps me to see previous hits,
but should not be able to combine the tool and the skill to shoot a group of 1/2 inch or a group of 3/4 inch? At approx 70yds?

I will when I get the chance post some targets to satisfy those that need it, but as a rule I don't have a stock as I use the rifle for field shooting and fun. The precision stuff I normally use my CZ silhouette which is the match grade rifle as you will no doubt be aware.

I think I get the idea of MOA but TBH the technical stuff means little to me as I work on what I am able to achieve not what a technical manual says I should be able to do.

The manual for the smith says no subsonic yet mine chews em like a cow chews grass! There is all the talk of DO Not dry fire, blah blah blah. But again this has no bearing on the ACTUAL function of the system ( are we to believe that the rifle should be left permanently left in a state of being cocked yet empty? I think not.

All I know is what I can do with mine. And it works for me with a good optic. I'm not a professional shooter or world class by any stretch of the imagination.

Though I do class my self as competent and confident in my own ability, just as many posters on here are of the VERY technical ILK with regard to weapon specs and tech knowledge.

I guess again there will be some incoming so will wait for that while I get some targets and find the time to go shoot them ( what a pain having to shoot to provide evidence of own ability ) but if I must do so then when I can I will.

Until then, for all owners and shooters and tech minded or not, load shoot load shoot = enjoy!!!!

 

[Rob1]

And here it is. Pics for the curious







My Partially complete fit up!!!