Tragedy in Arizona.....

[walnutred]

I don't have a "need" for a 30 round magazine. Right now the highest capacity mag I have is the 12 rounders for a CZ82. I upland hunt with a 16ga SXS and most of my center-fire hunting is with a single shot.

However just because I don't personally have a need or desire to own 30 round magazines doesn't mean I should support a ban or restrictions on them. If I thought banning large capacity magazines would mean they would never again be used in a crime I would feel differently. But history has shown that such is not the case so once again this is becomes not a question of crime control but people control.

 

[JayDubya]

Walnutred -- Good post. Our major governmental concern should not be limiting the size of magazines, but rather who can have guns. But I don't think that will happen in my lifetime (I'm seventy nine). So, if a federal law is passed that limits magazine sizes to that which the manufacturer provides, I'll go with it. You whippersnappers sort it out in your own good time. I just don't want to be one of umpteen shot at a local McDonalds, as happened a decade or so ago about three miles from where I live.

Cordially, Jack

 

[Janitor]

... So, if a federal law is passed that limits magazine sizes to that which the manufacturer provides, I'll go with it. ...

Jack -

The last federal law that limited the size of magazines didn't limit only extended magazines. They drew an arbitrary line in the sand at 10 rounds, and forced manufacturers to provide smaller magazines. So yes - we'll go with what they provide. But they won't be what the manufacturers had originally designed as standard capacity for many guns.

And of course you'll go along with a law they pass on this. That's the kind of thing that separates us from the criminals.

 

[walnutred]

Walnutred -- Good post. ..... So, if a federal law is passed that limits magazine sizes to that which the manufacturer provides, I'll go with it. ......

Cordially, Jack

I may be wrong but it is my understanding that the 30 round magazine WAS a factory Glock magazine and so would fit your definition of being a magazine that the factory provides.

 

[cowboy117]

And the camels nose is under the tent. [Remember the assault weapons ban?]

 

[JayDubya]

"I may be wrong but it is my understanding that the 30 round magazine WAS a factory Glock magazine and so would fit your definition of being a magazine that the factory provides."

Sigh . . . I give up trying to write laws. From now on I'll let our elected representatives do it. That's why we elected them, right? Right???

Cordially, Jack

 

[10ring]

I have never hunted deer, but if I had I would have used one of the five-shot bolt action rifles I have owned. As you may gather, I do not want a gun that has a 30+ round magazine, because I don't think I need it.
Jack

I sometimes hear gun owners who are hunters, trap shooters, target shooters, etc. say they understand and perhaps even do not oppose restrictions on assault weapons and high capacity magazines, because these things are of no legitimate use. They don't have "a problem" with banning AK-47s, Tec 9s, 30 round magazines, etc.

I feel bad for plagiarizing Pastor Martin Niemoeller, and I am not sure I should use something related to Nazis and the Holocaust to make a point about gun control but his famous comments express the point better than I can myself, so with apologies to anyone offended by my use and modifications of his comments:

In America they first came for the "Assault Rifles",
and I didn't speak up because I didn't need an "Assault Rifle".

Then they came for the high capacity magazines,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't need high capacity magazines.

Then they came for the handguns,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't need a handgun.

Then they came for all semi-automatic rifles,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't need a semi-auto rifle.

Then they came for my hunting shotgun —
and by that time no one was left to speak up for me.

No offense to JayDubya; you are entitled to your opinion. Just something to consider.

(By the way, if you think the above sounds ridiculous, look at the history of UK gun laws over the past 15 years, where even pellet guns are illegal unless they are detuned to reduce their power level)

 

[Smith Man]

All gun owners need to stick together of anti gun legislation. Whether it is a 30 round mag or their hunting shotgun. If not, the result will be a piece by piece destruction of gun rights. Hopefully the new congress will head off any knee jerk legislation that results from the Arizona occurance. Although it was a congress member that was assualted. If the new congress don't head off the legislation, it will pass through the senate and president with no problems. Also individual entities can enact laws in their cities and the only way to stop it is the supreme court. Recently gun owners have won in the supreme court, but the current administration has appointed 3 new members to the bench since then. It does not look promising. Stick together people.