Add Wyoming to that list.
Unless the OP is bootlegging moonshine, there's nothing wrong with transporting unopened liquor in the vehicle while carrying. As long as the GOV gets their tax money, they don't care.
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Add Wyoming to that list.
Unless the OP is bootlegging moonshine, there's nothing wrong with transporting unopened liquor in the vehicle while carrying. As long as the GOV gets their tax money, they don't care.
Arik
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Why can't you just buy it when you get there. I don't know many states that don't sell beer. Play it safe and buy it there .
Because it depends where you're from. For instance Pa liquor stores are about the size of a avg port a potty. No joke. Very small, run by the state only and only what they deem profitable. On the other hand NJ liquor stores are like 30k ft warehouses. HUGE! As you can imagine they have A LOT more to choose from and you can fit a Pa liquor store in a NJ liquor store 10 times over. Also in Pa beer is not sold in liquor stores only at a beer distributor. Not even at a supermarket. Our choices in Pa are very limited. You can ask them to order anything you want and eventually one day they'll get it for you. Everyone on my side of Pa drives to NJ, which is illegal for Pa residents btw.
As for the original question. If it's closed it's not an open beverage and you should be fine
Arik
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Pa allows carry in bars/places that serve alcohol
cmort666
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There are no restrictions on carrying while transporting unopened alcohol in Ohio. I pick up alcohol at the grocery store all the time while carrying.
I NEVER consume when I'm carrying.
I NEVER consume when I'm carrying.
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Likewise Ohio.
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you can add Illinois to the list that does not ban consumption - but there is no case law here to define the under the influence restriction.
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Add Utah specifies same BAC to carry/ have access to loaded firearms as for operate motor vehicle. Va does not allow consuming while CONCEALED , but is fine with doing so while openly carried.
There is no general rule as regards to carry and alcohol. It varies greatly from state to state.
Know the law where you live and visit. And don't get stupid anywhere.
There is no general rule as regards to carry and alcohol. It varies greatly from state to state.
Know the law where you live and visit. And don't get stupid anywhere.
Larry from Bend
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Unless its recently been changed: It's legal in Oregon to be drinking alcohol in a bar/tavern and concealed carrying at the same time. At least it always has been.
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sgtsandman
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Careful with that one. While you are indeed correct, many officers will treat the carrier with extreme prejudice if they are found to have any alcohol in their system after a shooting; defensive or not, below the legal limit or not.
This is just a caution, not a rebuke.
Rastoff
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Yes, but he said "carry" not "drink" in a place that serves alcohol. It's always wise to avoid alcohol and even places that sell alcohol when carrying. All police everywhere will look at the carrier suspiciously when alcohol is involved in any way.Careful with that one. While you are indeed correct, many officers will treat the carrier with extreme prejudice if they are found to have any alcohol in their system after a shooting; defensive or not, below the legal limit or not.
This is just a caution, not a rebuke.
sgtsandman
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Just carrying in a bar makes some of them suspicious, drinking or not. Can't say I blame them too much. You deal with the ugly side of humanity day and day out, it tends to rub off on you after a while.
CowboyKen
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Careful with that one. While you are indeed correct, many officers will treat the carrier with extreme prejudice if they are found to have any alcohol in their system after a shooting; defensive or not, below the legal limit or not.
This is just a caution, not a rebuke.
Do you have any documented support for this statement? Just wondering as I would love to have some good cites regarding this issue. Thanks.
Ken
It doesn't really matter if it's documented or not. I always find myself asking if my circumstances would pass the "Oprah" test . . . That is, do you want Oprah asking on national TV "Did you have alcohol in your system when you pulled the trigger?" - Occasionally, my circumstances would not pass that test, and then I think "What if . . ."
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sgtsandman
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Nope, it an unwritten rule. I have family who have been and are in the law enforcement business at the local, county and state level. They told me about it.
fredj338
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Anyone advocating ccw while even having a single drink is foolish in the extreme. Get involved In a shooting, any alcohol in your system, you are in for a huge amount of trouble if he shooting has any grey in it. ANY alcohol in your system impairs your judgement, regardless of what you think, its just to what degree. Transporting unopened alcohol is the same as any legal product.
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Rastoff
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Remember, having a concealed carry license puts you in a different class of people. It says you have different skills than the average person.
The "reasonable person standard" us used in tort and criminal law to denote a hypothetical person in society who exercises average care, skill and judgement in conduct. It is used as a comparative standard for determining liability. You can read more about it here: Reasonable person - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The problem with this "standard" is that it is arbitrary. What's reasonable to one person might not be reasonable to another. This is why we have multiple people on a jury. In most cases, persons with greater than average skills, or with special duties to society, are held to a higher standard of care. For example, a physician who aids a person in distress is held to a higher standard of care than is an ordinary person.
In most states, there is some training required to have a concealed license. Because of that training, any concealed licensee will likely be held to a higher standard. It's not really fair, but this is how the world works. "Well, you've had training. You should know better," is how it will go.
All I'm saying here is that, like it or not, those who carry need to mind their Ps and Qs a little better. This is why I recommend avoiding alcohol, in any form, while carrying.
The "reasonable person standard" us used in tort and criminal law to denote a hypothetical person in society who exercises average care, skill and judgement in conduct. It is used as a comparative standard for determining liability. You can read more about it here: Reasonable person - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The problem with this "standard" is that it is arbitrary. What's reasonable to one person might not be reasonable to another. This is why we have multiple people on a jury. In most cases, persons with greater than average skills, or with special duties to society, are held to a higher standard of care. For example, a physician who aids a person in distress is held to a higher standard of care than is an ordinary person.
In most states, there is some training required to have a concealed license. Because of that training, any concealed licensee will likely be held to a higher standard. It's not really fair, but this is how the world works. "Well, you've had training. You should know better," is how it will go.
All I'm saying here is that, like it or not, those who carry need to mind their Ps and Qs a little better. This is why I recommend avoiding alcohol, in any form, while carrying.
Drinking while carrying is not in my play book, legal or not. I see it as a handicap. No thanks.
I don't think carrying unopened alcohol in the vehicle is or should be a problem, just need to check each state's law concerning it.
As far as " under the influence", I believe that us pretty much up to the LEO's interpretation. It's usually not a defined limit, more of an assessment by the officer.
Play it safe and put it in the trunk.
I don't think carrying unopened alcohol in the vehicle is or should be a problem, just need to check each state's law concerning it.
As far as " under the influence", I believe that us pretty much up to the LEO's interpretation. It's usually not a defined limit, more of an assessment by the officer.
Play it safe and put it in the trunk.
fredj338
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Or the court If it goes to trial. To think your booze consumption, at an level, isn't going to come into play, your kidding yourself.
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