model70hunter
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Yep. Next time the price will be higher.
Trap shooting is a BLAST!
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Yep. Next time the price will be higher.
model70hunter
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I've been shooting trap since I was a kid -- a long time agowith my old Model 12 Trap shotgun. I'm surprised after all these years it isn't worn out!
Yes, it is a fun sport.
Do you know how many Trap/Skeet shooters a maintained M-12 Winchester can wear out? 3? 4? A dozen? Model 12's are scary reliable.
I've been a hunter ever since my early teen years but I never had any
interest in Trap shooting. Watching someone shooting, Trap seemed
boring and monotonous to me and I never thought I would like it.
Then a friend and long time Trap shooter talked me into shooting a
couple of rounds with him. I was instantly hooked. That was several
years and thousands of dollars ago. Trap is addictive and can get
expensive. I love it but I haven't been able to shoot lately because of
my ongoing back problems. I hope to shoot this summer. Anyone
who likes to shoot any kind of gun should give it a try. Trap shooters
in general are a great bunch of people. Safety is paramount and rules
are generally followed by everyone. Lots of fun.
interest in Trap shooting. Watching someone shooting, Trap seemed
boring and monotonous to me and I never thought I would like it.
Then a friend and long time Trap shooter talked me into shooting a
couple of rounds with him. I was instantly hooked. That was several
years and thousands of dollars ago. Trap is addictive and can get
expensive. I love it but I haven't been able to shoot lately because of
my ongoing back problems. I hope to shoot this summer. Anyone
who likes to shoot any kind of gun should give it a try. Trap shooters
in general are a great bunch of people. Safety is paramount and rules
are generally followed by everyone. Lots of fun.
quneur
Member
Like many here, I like skeet better. Haven't tried sporting clays yet. The closest outdoor range only has trap and sporting clays with the nearest skeet being an hour away. But if you enjoy any clay pigeon sports, you will love actual upland bird hunting with your own pointing dog you've trained. Twice the fun than shooting a perfect score using a ..410 ga full bore.
Oh, ya sure.
You hear this kind of talk from one of these old sharks...
Put your money back into your pocket and walk away. Because if you don't, he is gonna roll you like a street bum.
I learned this many years ago.
You will find yourself progressing to different guns. I started trap with a Remington 870 (mod choke), and did fair, traded that on a SKB O/U with IM and F chokes. Traded the SKB on a new (I always bought used guns previously) Remington Peerless, that lasted about two years, and when I retired I traded that on a new Browning Citori Special Sporting Clays as a do it all gun for trap, skeet & sporting clays. I still have the Citori, but I did buy a BT99+, 32" barrel. My scores improved about 2-3 birds on the average with the BT99+. I shoot strictly for fun, in a Trap League and my average is about 21.5. I shoot the Citori in skeet most of the time, and my average is about the same as in trap. I have been shooting trap/skeet for about 15 years and haven't gotten tired of it yet.
In Reno at the old Harold's Club in the 60-80's the Winchester model 12 was the go to gun to win matches along with the red winAA loads, for ALL the matches.
Most of the big shooters also had a BT 99 or a Over and Under, in the back of their cars, also.
That "Long tube" is a great shotgun for trap and you will do well with it, when you get it dialed in to you. That adjustable stock is great if you loose or put on weight.............
At 69, I had to tweak the stock a little, after putting on 56 pounds over the years.
It really shines back at the 27 yard line HDCP and for those "Oakley Shots" or money games, you might get into.
You might also look up the ATA, for some big events, if you have money for membership and fees...........fun to shoot with the "Big Guns".
Enjoy that great work of art.
Most of the big shooters also had a BT 99 or a Over and Under, in the back of their cars, also.
That "Long tube" is a great shotgun for trap and you will do well with it, when you get it dialed in to you. That adjustable stock is great if you loose or put on weight.............
At 69, I had to tweak the stock a little, after putting on 56 pounds over the years.
It really shines back at the 27 yard line HDCP and for those "Oakley Shots" or money games, you might get into.
You might also look up the ATA, for some big events, if you have money for membership and fees...........fun to shoot with the "Big Guns".
Enjoy that great work of art.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
As Nevada Ed pointed out, one can try ATA Trap. To join, it's only $20 per year.
I like the ATA competitions, and you really do get to shoot with the really great shooters. And, almost all of them are very approachable when they are not actually shooting an event.
The Silver Dollar, NW of Tampa, is my home club and it has the best shooting during the winter, with lots of big shoots. Vendors, gunsmiths, stock-fitters, supplies, etc. on the grounds.
In the summer, it's a ghost town and one never has to wait to shoot. Rental guns are available and one can purchase ammo there.
Any of you get down here or if you live near here and want to shoot a round or two, just PM me. Thursdays and Fridays are the best as there are very few shooters there then and there's much more time to show you how to do it.
The hardest part is learning never to look at the beads after you shoulder the gun and make sure they are lined up. All you look at is the target. Keep your head firmly on the stock (comb) and focus on the target. Your brain knows when to fire.
Bob
I like the ATA competitions, and you really do get to shoot with the really great shooters. And, almost all of them are very approachable when they are not actually shooting an event.
The Silver Dollar, NW of Tampa, is my home club and it has the best shooting during the winter, with lots of big shoots. Vendors, gunsmiths, stock-fitters, supplies, etc. on the grounds.
In the summer, it's a ghost town and one never has to wait to shoot. Rental guns are available and one can purchase ammo there.
Any of you get down here or if you live near here and want to shoot a round or two, just PM me. Thursdays and Fridays are the best as there are very few shooters there then and there's much more time to show you how to do it.
The hardest part is learning never to look at the beads after you shoulder the gun and make sure they are lined up. All you look at is the target. Keep your head firmly on the stock (comb) and focus on the target. Your brain knows when to fire.
Bob
When I was shooting in a league we once had a Remington rep
come by and talk to us. He was a jerk but I got one piece of good info from him. Read INNER TENNIS! I thought he was messing with us but just apply the same principles and it works.
It's difficult to not think about the target at all but after a while it becomes natural.
come by and talk to us. He was a jerk but I got one piece of good info from him. Read INNER TENNIS! I thought he was messing with us but just apply the same principles and it works.
It's difficult to not think about the target at all but after a while it becomes natural.
Damn Yankee
Member
revolver59
Tell us some of the scores you are shooting and are you having any trouble with certain birds?
Learn to shoot with two eyes. you see fifty percent more.
When you mount the gun put it to your check first and slide it back to your shoulder. This way the comb will always be in the same place.
Use the beads to line up and then look and focus out past the trap to where you are breaking the birds. I shot off the front edge on 2,3,4 and the corners for 1,5. If you keep your head on the comb the gun will go ever where your eyes go. Keep the two blocks of wood together.
Do you shoot off the front edge, back edge or over the trap?
How are your targets breaking? front edge or top edge means you are in front or above you bird. Bottom edge your shooting low. Pattern you gun and see where the center of your shot is hitting. My Broadway when I shoot I see a space between the two beads which is a built in lead and I don't have to cover the bird to compensate for the rise. Pay attention to how the birds are flying some days the wind will drive them down and you have to be careful not shoot over them.
On your right and left angles they say you can't lead them to much because the shot string is 14 ft long. Keep swing, you stop and most of the time you'll hear that dreadful word "Lost"
Do you have a adjustable Comb on that BT?
On new shooters I recommend you set the trap to throw all straightaways start on station 3. Break five straight and then move to station 4 and so on till you can constantly hit your bird. When the birds are coming out in all different angles and your missing you are not having fun. You might as well shoot 25 times in the air and save yourself the price of birds.
What shells are you shooting 1oz will break any bird you can see.
Looking forward to your next post.
Tell us some of the scores you are shooting and are you having any trouble with certain birds?
Learn to shoot with two eyes. you see fifty percent more.
When you mount the gun put it to your check first and slide it back to your shoulder. This way the comb will always be in the same place.
Use the beads to line up and then look and focus out past the trap to where you are breaking the birds. I shot off the front edge on 2,3,4 and the corners for 1,5. If you keep your head on the comb the gun will go ever where your eyes go. Keep the two blocks of wood together.
Do you shoot off the front edge, back edge or over the trap?
How are your targets breaking? front edge or top edge means you are in front or above you bird. Bottom edge your shooting low. Pattern you gun and see where the center of your shot is hitting. My Broadway when I shoot I see a space between the two beads which is a built in lead and I don't have to cover the bird to compensate for the rise. Pay attention to how the birds are flying some days the wind will drive them down and you have to be careful not shoot over them.
On your right and left angles they say you can't lead them to much because the shot string is 14 ft long. Keep swing, you stop and most of the time you'll hear that dreadful word "Lost"
Do you have a adjustable Comb on that BT?
On new shooters I recommend you set the trap to throw all straightaways start on station 3. Break five straight and then move to station 4 and so on till you can constantly hit your bird. When the birds are coming out in all different angles and your missing you are not having fun. You might as well shoot 25 times in the air and save yourself the price of birds.
What shells are you shooting 1oz will break any bird you can see.
Looking forward to your next post.
OP
revolver59
Member
Damn Yankee,
I started off with some bad scores,6 to 8 birds.I was shooting over and behind most of them.
I was having a hard time understanding the game.A good friend of mine that introduced me to the game,coached me for a couple of days.After several trips to the patterning board,and several adjustments to the comb,to where I felt totally comfortable with the gun,holding it on my cheek and seeing the figure eight clearly,and getting in the right stance. I started to hit more targets,I have been breaking between 19 to 22 birds with one eye closed since,I am still having a hard time adjusting to shoot with two eyes open,however I am working on it,and it is improving as well,at a slower paste.My gun shot a pattern of 60/40,so I am pointing the gun right under the birds and have been hitting them pretty hard,with a modified choke.The ones that were tricky for me were the right angle shots,I was not hitting them at first,I kept lifting my head up,and could not follow through with my shots,I was stopping my swing as soon as I lifted my head.I am getting much better at keeping my head stuck on the comb now,and that made the whole difference.
The shots that worked best for me are the 2 3/4 dram 1oz 7 1/2 s at 16 yards. I have not tried to shoot beyond that point yet,but I am sure it will come in time.
I appreciate your input,and advise,every little bit helps. I am all ears,and am always willing to try something new, that will help me become a better shooter.
Thank you
I started off with some bad scores,6 to 8 birds.I was shooting over and behind most of them.
I was having a hard time understanding the game.A good friend of mine that introduced me to the game,coached me for a couple of days.After several trips to the patterning board,and several adjustments to the comb,to where I felt totally comfortable with the gun,holding it on my cheek and seeing the figure eight clearly,and getting in the right stance. I started to hit more targets,I have been breaking between 19 to 22 birds with one eye closed since,I am still having a hard time adjusting to shoot with two eyes open,however I am working on it,and it is improving as well,at a slower paste.My gun shot a pattern of 60/40,so I am pointing the gun right under the birds and have been hitting them pretty hard,with a modified choke.The ones that were tricky for me were the right angle shots,I was not hitting them at first,I kept lifting my head up,and could not follow through with my shots,I was stopping my swing as soon as I lifted my head.I am getting much better at keeping my head stuck on the comb now,and that made the whole difference.
The shots that worked best for me are the 2 3/4 dram 1oz 7 1/2 s at 16 yards. I have not tried to shoot beyond that point yet,but I am sure it will come in time.
I appreciate your input,and advise,every little bit helps. I am all ears,and am always willing to try something new, that will help me become a better shooter.
Thank you
gjamison
Member
I have shot trap and skeet for about 10 years now. Started with a Remington 1187 than went to a browning BT99. Couple of years after that I jumped into a Kriegoff K80 for trap and a Remington 3200 competion skeet.
I'm a better trap shooter than a skeet shooter. Skeet makes my brain hurt!!
I'm a better trap shooter than a skeet shooter. Skeet makes my brain hurt!!
OP
revolver59
Member
Hi George,
I have heard a lots of good things about the kreigoff,but I have only seen pictures,and they look awesome.The Remington 3200 is a very respectable shotgun,I just got introduced to it a few weeks ago,and I was proven that it does the job very well in trap shoots.Also the 3200 is more in my budget.
I have heard a lots of good things about the kreigoff,but I have only seen pictures,and they look awesome.The Remington 3200 is a very respectable shotgun,I just got introduced to it a few weeks ago,and I was proven that it does the job very well in trap shoots.Also the 3200 is more in my budget.
Damn Yankee
Member
revolver59
On your right angle from 5 when you mount your gun, raise your right elbow so that is horizontal with your shoulder. This will help to stop your gun moving away from your check when you swing to the right. Don't be afraid of getting to far in front of the bird because the shot string is very long and some part of the string will hit the target.
Keep working on the two eye shooting, it will come.
Say to yourself "Keep my head down and keep swing"
Do you watch everyone else s birds?
On your right angle from 5 when you mount your gun, raise your right elbow so that is horizontal with your shoulder. This will help to stop your gun moving away from your check when you swing to the right. Don't be afraid of getting to far in front of the bird because the shot string is very long and some part of the string will hit the target.
Keep working on the two eye shooting, it will come.
Say to yourself "Keep my head down and keep swing"
Do you watch everyone else s birds?
mac2
Member
The majority of firearms owners in the UK are those into the shotgun games or game; one reason being shotguns are easier to own than stuff firing bullets. Chances are, those shooters probably wonder what the fuss is with regard to how strict UK firearms laws are unlike us pistol shooters...
I owned a Remington 3200 trap gun for a few months. It busted the heck out of my cheek every time I used it. It was well built and as solid as any o/u I've ever seen. It just wasn't stocked for me.
My wife and I really used to enjoy trap shooting back in the '70s. After an auto accident in which I was banged up pretty bad coming home from a shoot, I never took up the sport again. With the demands of a complex job and raising a family, I somehow never got started again. I could do 50 straight pretty regularly, though, and in the process learned to reload shotshells. I still have my old Remington 870TB trap gun; it's had multi-thousands of rounds put through it and still looks good as new.
John
John
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revolver59
Member
Sorry to hear about your accident John.I wish one day I would be able to shoot straight 50's like yourself,but I think I have a ways to go yet,I have seen the progress,by doing what I am supposed to do,I am still missing a few birds here and there.The group that I am shooting with have been extremely helpful,I am the new (55 year old)kid on the block,and all the rest of the shooters have 25 + years of trap shooting experience. Two of the shooters are 80 + years old,and they are amazing shots,and full of good advise.
I do wish you and your wife all the best.
PS. That is an absolutely beautiful model 870 that you have got,and thanks for sharing the pictures with us.
With my best regards:
Aram
I do wish you and your wife all the best.
PS. That is an absolutely beautiful model 870 that you have got,and thanks for sharing the pictures with us.
With my best regards:
Aram
model70hunter
Member
For those who are thinking of trying it go back and read Damn Yankee, read it until you understand how he approaches the mount and barrel placement on the trap house. He is spot on.
A friend who had been a state champ in his youth took it back up, he had a large salary job. He bought a BT 99, a progressive loader and he hammered me until I went to push the little button. He then started making me use his ammo and Browning. It was a dirty little trick. I soon had a Beretta 303 Trap and was hooked.
Once we went to a shoot in KC, I think it was the 7-11 club. An old gentleman pulled a krieghoff out of his trunk and drug it by the bbl into the club house across the gravel parking lot. The top of the stock at the butt was a terrible mess. But the old rascal could still shoot very well. After a few years I got hooked on Sporting clays and my buddy bought my 303.
Years later a friend sponsored a trap team, I had hired and mentored his wife and made her engineering degree pay off. He told me to show up I was on his team. I hadn't shot trap in 20 years, I hit a bunch of LGS' in the St. Louis area and found a Winchester Model 1200 trap. It had sat so long in the corner that the Dead Sea Scrolls dust and it's dust was about the same age. They wanted $150, I offered $125 and owned it. Now I knew what the big boys shot and most of them held their Model 12's in high regard. I brought the 1200 anyway. You may not know this but some fellow gun owners are blue bloods. They would look down their nose and give me nice compliments like, is that a model 1200? Tisk, tisk. Most of us use a Model 12 or a Krieghoff or a Model 1100 for gods sake. Or where did you find that, uh gun (?). Really I did not know Winchester fancied up the 1200.
I smiled and refreshed my brain with stance, mount and where to hold on the house. I popped off a couple of 23's. At the following weeks shoot I ripped off a 25 in the first round, several others didn't. I found some humor in offering the 1200 to guys, just to see if it would help their scores. No one ever again mentioned, looked at or discussed the 1200. This was not a local club, it was at the Olin club league in Alton, Il. I will tell you that my 22-23 average was probably the 2nd lowest on my team. A couple of my team members could run 250-300 in a row on a regular basis. I eventually traded the 1200 in in a Model 12, my average dropped 2 birds and I never broke 25 again. Yes sir hanging around the rabbit cage eating smart pills paid off for me.
A friend who had been a state champ in his youth took it back up, he had a large salary job. He bought a BT 99, a progressive loader and he hammered me until I went to push the little button. He then started making me use his ammo and Browning. It was a dirty little trick. I soon had a Beretta 303 Trap and was hooked.
Once we went to a shoot in KC, I think it was the 7-11 club. An old gentleman pulled a krieghoff out of his trunk and drug it by the bbl into the club house across the gravel parking lot. The top of the stock at the butt was a terrible mess. But the old rascal could still shoot very well. After a few years I got hooked on Sporting clays and my buddy bought my 303.
Years later a friend sponsored a trap team, I had hired and mentored his wife and made her engineering degree pay off. He told me to show up I was on his team. I hadn't shot trap in 20 years, I hit a bunch of LGS' in the St. Louis area and found a Winchester Model 1200 trap. It had sat so long in the corner that the Dead Sea Scrolls dust and it's dust was about the same age. They wanted $150, I offered $125 and owned it. Now I knew what the big boys shot and most of them held their Model 12's in high regard. I brought the 1200 anyway. You may not know this but some fellow gun owners are blue bloods. They would look down their nose and give me nice compliments like, is that a model 1200? Tisk, tisk. Most of us use a Model 12 or a Krieghoff or a Model 1100 for gods sake. Or where did you find that, uh gun (?). Really I did not know Winchester fancied up the 1200.
I smiled and refreshed my brain with stance, mount and where to hold on the house. I popped off a couple of 23's. At the following weeks shoot I ripped off a 25 in the first round, several others didn't. I found some humor in offering the 1200 to guys, just to see if it would help their scores. No one ever again mentioned, looked at or discussed the 1200. This was not a local club, it was at the Olin club league in Alton, Il. I will tell you that my 22-23 average was probably the 2nd lowest on my team. A couple of my team members could run 250-300 in a row on a regular basis. I eventually traded the 1200 in in a Model 12, my average dropped 2 birds and I never broke 25 again. Yes sir hanging around the rabbit cage eating smart pills paid off for me.
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