Trigger Fix Update

[cdj588]

Sorry, I know i could of searched but I knew it would come up 1000 times and I wouldnt get the answer I wanted.

I have decided I cant stand the trigger anymore on my sigma. I shoot it great but I know I can get more accuracy out of it if the trigger pull is lighter.

SSSOOOOO, is there a finalized and SAFE trigger fix? for the sigma? I'd like something around 4lbs.

 

[MitchellB]

There is nothing wrong with the Sigma trigger. It is what it is. It is your trigger finger that needs the work. Strengthen your finger, practice trigger control or buy a different firearm with a softer trigger that you like.

 

[vector16]

If you want to do the trigger job there are pleanty of lings on this site. I have posted them, JRich has posted, RugerNUT etc.. Don't add any more parts to you gun, just take away. Whe you do the trigger job be sure you put the pin that connects the sear to the trigger bar in correctly or when you rack the slide it will fall out. You also don't need to go out and buy a dremel tool for polishing, just get some "Mr. Metal" metal polish or any other metal polish you get at CVS or SafeWay etc for $2. it works too. Don't cut any spring. Remove the Pigtail spring and the short outer spring and nothing else. You will know what that means after you see the video.

 

[HalfStack]

Does it void the warranty?

 

[SP3]

I am generally the 'it is what it is' frame of mind. I bought my Sigma knowing exactly what it would feel like. That said, I did polish everything related to the trigger not long after I put its first rounds down range. It made it smoother and feel better. I'd do it again (buy a Sigma and polish) but that's just me.

 

[blkpitbull]

You'll get a better, smoother trigger, but a sigma trigger will never get to 4 pounds.
But getting it smoother and maybe drop a couple pounds (to maybe 7-8) will make the sigma shoot much better.....

 

[J Rich]

4lb trigger

like others have said you won't get 4lbs. 4lbs isn't good for a carry piece maybe comp but not carry. You can get 4lb with extensive modding and wouldn't tell you how to do it for a carry piece. If you are using this for comp you should already know how to do this.

 

[vector16]

4lb trigger

like others have said you won't get 4lbs. 4lbs isn't good for a carry piece maybe comp but not carry. You can get 4lb with extensive modding and wouldn't tell you how to do it for a carry piece. If you are using this for comp you should already know how to do this.

I got mine to 3.5 lbs. and it works great. You have to know how to harden and soften metal though.
The Sigma is an inexpensive gun. You can practice your smithing w/o worrying to much about loosing alot of cash. When you mod a sigma, don't cut or alter any of the parts. keep all the parts you take off. If something goes wrong with the gun put it all back together like how you bought it and send it in for service. This way the warraty is still good. Don't put a Wolff spring in and try to send it in for repairs. Striker spring is hard to replace and some of the plasic can break if you don't know what you are doing.

 

[J Rich]

I got mine to 3.5 lbs. and it works great. You have to know how to harden and soften metal though.
The Sigma is an inexpensive gun. You can practice your smithing w/o worrying to much about loosing alot of cash. When you mod a sigma, don't cut or alter any of the parts. keep all the parts you take off. If something goes wrong with the gun put it all back together like how you bought it and send it in for service. This way the warraty is still good. Don't put a Wolff spring in and try to send it in for repairs. Striker spring is hard to replace and some of the plasic can break if you don't know what you are doing.

Vector why are you quoting me? Because you carry a 3.5lb trigger? I just wouldn't carry a 3.5lb trigger with one in the chamber.

 

[vector16]

I don't carry a gun. Its impossible to get a CCW in CA. I carry throwing knives. i'm damn good up to about 15 yards with'm. I carry when I go hunting. mWhy wouln't you carry with a 3.5lb trigger w/ one in the pipe. the trigger pull is long enough, on yours.

 

[J Rich]

I knew you didn't carry, just forgot. 3.5lb trigger just makes me nervous with one chambered. I know the pull is long, but still not for me, thanks.

 

[mlk18]

With a lot of polishing, grease and the removal of the inner spring and pigtail spring I was able to get my SW9E's trigger pull to something in the 5lb range. It is very smooth and the break is still a little mushy, but it's not bad at all. I have a few thousands rounds through it in this configuration with zero reliability issues. However I will point out that this is a range gun only and is never used for defensive purposes. I am however going to return it to a highly polished stock set up in anticipation of the Apex kit.

 

[vector16]

you might be able to carry it with the slide racked back and if you really need it, just hit the switch and its ready to go.LOL

You are willing to fire the gun under water in the middle of nowhere, alone, and you are not willing to carry a loaded gun. That's G-rrrrreat!!! gotta tell some of my hunt'n buddies bout that.

 

[vector16]

I am however going to return it to a highly polished stock set up in anticipation of the Apex kit.

There is not an apex kit nor will there ever be a kit. The sear assembly is to simple to do anything with it.

 

[J Rich]

UMMM Apex is expecting to have a trigger kit for the Sigma this spring.

 

[J Rich]

you might be able to carry it with the slide racked back and if you really need it, just hit the switch and its ready to go.LOL

You are willing to fire the gun under water in the middle of nowhere, alone, and you are not willing to carry a loaded gun. That's G-rrrrreat!!! gotta tell some of my hunt'n buddies bout that.

You talkin' to me? Yes go tell your huntin buddies I won't carry my sigma with a 3.5lb trigger and one in the chamber

 

[blkpitbull]

You are willing to fire the gun under water in the middle of nowhere, alone, and you are not willing to carry a loaded gun. That's G-rrrrreat!!! gotta tell some of my hunt'n buddies bout that.

I dont think it was actually Jrich in that "sigma underwater" video, i think he just brought it to all our attention!

 

[blkpitbull]

There is not an apex kit nor will there ever be a kit. The sear assembly is to simple to do anything with it.

like jrich said, apex is making a kit for the siggies.
as for the sear assmbly being simple? the m&p sear is alot more simpler than the sigmas....IMO

 

[icemn]

First I'm hearing of Apex doing a product for Sigmas. I had suggested this to Randy about a year ago. Where are you getting this from? I was aware they're getting into glocks and M&P barrels and triggers, but not aware of anything for the Sigma

 

[blkpitbull]

hold on:

look here at post 47 and 48
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-sigma-sd-pistols/218864-apex-tactical-spring-kit-sd.html

 

[icemn]

Wow! It'll be worth a very close look!

 

[blkpitbull]

yep, im just waiting for the word go, and im ordering !!!!

 

[vector16]

I dont think it was actually Jrich in that "sigma underwater" video, i think he just brought it to all our attention!

No, he went camping with a case of JD and said he was gonna do it, and some other test.

 

[cdj588]

I did the trigger fix. I didnt notice much of a lightening of the trigger but I did notice less gritty feeling and more of a crisp break. Now that could be a result of the removal of the springs or could be a result of removing the grease that S&W warranty shop put in there.

Has anyone had any unsafe experiences with this "enhancement"?

Im not concerned so much with reliability bc I just shot this gun at the range. However, I am concerned with this thing randomly firing a round or somethin.

 

[blkpitbull]

No, he went camping with a case of JD and said he was gonna do it, and some other test.

Oh. Gotcha

 

[vector16]

I did the trigger fix. I didnt notice much of a lightening of the trigger but I did notice less gritty feeling and more of a crisp break. Now that could be a result of the removal of the springs or could be a result of removing the grease that S&W warranty shop put in there.

Has anyone had any unsafe experiences with this "enhancement"?

Im not concerned so much with reliability bc I just shot this gun at the range. However, I am concerned with this thing randomly firing a round or somethin.

you did not feel the trigger get lighter? Clean the gun really good. Taking off those 2 springs lifts 5lbs off the trigger. If you are refering to the trigger pull distance then yes it does not reduce the pull distance.

 

[blkpitbull]

someones got to make a video of them measuring the trigger pull on one of these 4-5 lb triggered sigma's....i gotta see it...hard to believe that that trigger can get to 4-5lbs and be 100% safe and reliable...
so prove me wrong..

 

[mlk18]

hard to believe that that trigger can get to 4-5lbs and be 100% safe and reliable

Why? Glock, S&W, Walther, FN, etc. all make striker fired guns with triggers that break around 5lbs. And the original Sigma did not have that heavy of a pull either. The SW9VE was intentionally redesigned to have a heavier pull with heavier springs and a pig-tail spring. It is easily reversed.

 

[blkpitbull]

well their sear designs are much different. Most, if not all of them really just release the striker...no rearward movement....
the sigmas sear on the other hand moves rearward just as much as it moves down to release the striker. So your moving the striker rearward through the trigger pull on the sigma, but on the M&P's, glocks, etc...all the sear does is get pulled straight down out of the way......

I understand getting the sigmas trigger alot smoother and a lighter pull is easy to do, ive done it...but to get a sigmas trigger to break at a true 4-5lb's is impressive if done...id love to see it...

EDIT: I wanted to come on here and just say i dont want noone thinking i think they are liars....I have worked my sigmas trigger exstensively and its averaging about 7.6 lbs in five pulls....id LOVE to see/hear how someone got theirs to 4-5lbs is all im saying!!

 

[vector16]

someones got to make a video of them measuring the trigger pull on one of these 4-5 lb triggered sigma's....i gotta see it...hard to believe that that trigger can get to 4-5lbs and be 100% safe and reliable...
so prove me wrong..

The trigger pull length does not change. Its the anount of force it takes to pull the trigger rearward, DUDE!