Tyler T-Grips

[GoDevil Man]

No Quarter put me down for a square butt k frame, aluminum, for my model 65. I have a black BK on my round butt 3-inch 64, it's great, but it made me have to get a pair of Altamont panels with quite a bit of black coloring so it "matched".

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[S&W Fan]

Polished K round please! Pre-pandemic when going to a restaurant was a normal thing I never waited more than an hour-never found a place worth the wait and yes I've eaten in many countries around the world with fine restaurants.

I never waited a very long time for a new vehicle, on the rare times I bought new (that includes motorcycles). Lately I've had no issue waiting 4 days for a gun to be delivered or my background check (that's supposed to be "instant") to be completed.

About the only things I've waited long for are my sons and then later my grandchildren to be born. I did wait 3 months for a holster once and 6 for a custom built 1911-that was a long time ago.

Hell, I might not even wake up tomorrow so yeah, wait time does matter to me.

To heck with Tyler as much as I want a polished one for my 3" round 64.

 

[Nalapombu]

Yeah I'm glad that he's still doing his best to fill orders. I might get a bit peeved if my order was behind this long, but as you all said, he's a small shop with his family. He can't churn out thousands of them per day. I can also really respect that he is refusing to speed things up at the detriment to the quality he puts into them with his own hands.
You also gotta put tge Kung Flu situation in the mix too. Hard telling how long he's had to wait for materials to come in stock and be delivered.

I love my T-Grips. They make these revolvers really look classy.


Let this be a lesson to us all. When we order something that's from a one man shop and he won't quote a delivery time or schedule and doesn't answer the phone or emails...we need to step back and take a deep breath and allow these artisans to complete your order the way you want it and expect it to be.
Good to hear you can finally enjoy them.

 

[NY-1]

Let this be a lesson to us all. When we order something that's from a one man shop and he won't quote a delivery time or schedule and doesn't answer the phone or emails...we need to step back and take a deep breath and allow these artisans to complete your order the way you want it and expect it to be.
Good to hear you can finally enjoy them.

There is a shipping time of 3-4 weeks listed on the site, which appears to be pulled out of thin air given the year long wait that most that actually receive their order seem to go through. Basic communication isn't much to ask for in the internet age, especially when the checks get cashed as quickly as they get sent. Not to mention there's no reason why these should have to be made-to-order. The frame sizes are standardized and batch manufacturing for popular SKUs makes sense.

I'm glad they're (apparently) still making them, and the quality certainly seems to be as expected, but there's no excuse to run a business like this in this millennium IMO.

 

[3rdgeargrndrr]

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I love my T-Grips. They make these revolvers really look classy. When we order something that's from a one man shop and he won't quote a delivery time or schedule and doesn't answer the phone or emails...we need to step back and take a deep breath and allow these artisans to complete your order the way you want it and expect it to be.
Good to hear you can finally enjoy them.

I understood the wait times involved and set a reminder every month or so to check on the order. Got mine in 2 months. Granted this grip was not as in demand as the Smiths but worth the wait.
He could presumably jack the price to $60, which would cut orders by 2/3 and you could get the grips in 1-2 months. They are worth the wait.

The t grip didnt align perfectly with the altamonts but I liked the look. And still comfortable.

 

[xtrtsqrt11]

When I purchased my new to me, 12-2 snubby revolver, I had to settle with the conventional K frame magna grips (that were on the revolver) that have a gap at the top of the grip due to the narrower 12-2 grip frame compared to a standard K frame.

I have been unable to find any grip maker that addresses this issue with the exception of Spegal. I have been on his list for a little over a year and am happily waiting my turn. As best I can at least. ;-)

So, because of what I learned on this forum, I chose to purchase from BK grips because I wanted a stop gap so to speak until I can get my preferred grip set up. I had no interest in waiting a year for a T grip adaptor to arrive. I had my BKs in a week or two from ordering. I will still get the Spegals when I can, but until then, the BKs will suffice. That gap pinches a little under recoil.

 

[vinnyd34]

I like BKs.

 

[ronbwolf]

I can make grips adapters out of any metal I choose or you want. I can TiN coat or anodize them in any color available. I can add features (checkering, customized logos, etc.) with ease.



I am a big fan of Tyler T-Grips, but when I see an entity that continually underperforms, all I see is opportunity.



My only hold up is a little market research to ensure that the juice is worth the squeeze.



I have spent over a decade making implants for surgery, this is a cake walk compared to that.



So, are we all tied up with the nostalgia and traditionalism of using a Tyler T-Grip, or would we all welcome a new entry into the space and be willing to add them to our classic and new revolvers?



One thing I know for sure, if I do launch such an enterprise, inventory control and customer service will be on point.



Expectations will be exceeded, promises will be kept.



Any feedback would be appreciated.

I'm in, I don't even care about the wait, so long as you respond if I call/text/email, in a reasonable time frame.

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[GypsmJim]

I challenge anyone to find someone on this board that received an order from Tyler within three weeks.

I ordered a set a few years ago, knowing all about the trials and tribulations. I got the order in a couple of months. It was Summer and I had a lot on my plate at the time, so the wait wasn't an issue.

I liked it so much I ordered 2 more sets. Those I DID get within 3 weeks. Boy, I was surprised. I have no more need, so I never ordered a third time.

Another poster recently questioned whether anyone on the board placed an order and NEVER got it. So far, nobody has replied to that post.

Yeah, its all really bad, but y'all knows whats what so nobody really should complain. Surely someone on the board must live close to him. maybe they should stop in and see him....

 

[19leben]

I know the owners of Tyler T. I will talk to them and see if I can get a reasonable response.

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[Rodan]

I know the owners of Tyler T. I will talk to them and see if I can get a reasonable response.

Just tell them to put a realistic delivery time on their website.

 

[gr7070]

Just tell them to put a realistic delivery time on their website.

While that me may help with their customer relations from that FTC website it appears they would still be in violation of the law.

 

[Rodan]

While that me may help with their customer relations from that FTC website it appears they would still be in violation of the law.

Did the owners of Tyler kill your dog or something?

You seem to have a considerable amount of animosity towards them.

There are plenty of vendors in the firearms hobby that have wait times as long or longer than Tyler, and nobody threatens them with criminal prosecution.

Having actually ordered from Tyler, waited, and eventually received my merchandise, my only complaint is the wildly inaccurate delivery estimate on their site, and the lack of communication. Fix that, and they're just like many other single-source vendors for unique items in the hobby.

 

[gr7070]

Did the owners of Tyler kill your dog or something?

You seem to have a considerable amount of animosity towards them.

I have nothing against them. I do think they're product is ugly and believe there are far better options available. I've pointed that out. Meh.

There are plenty of vendors in the firearms hobby that have wait times as long or longer than Tyler, and nobody threatens them with criminal prosecution.

For starters, I've made no threats against them in any way. I certainly can't prosecute them.

I also have no first hand knowledge of potential transgressions. I have not made any accusations nor have I submitted them for investigation. Nor will I, for the same reason.

Folks have stated Tyler T has done nothing wrong. And folks have stated they've committed fraud.

I have pointed to government documents that suggest they have legal transgressions. However, I'm not a judge nor lawyer.

If they have broken the law that's between them, their accusor and the government. I am none of those.

I'm unsure why anyone would want to defend them here with what has been said about them with no one suggesting those negative statements are inaccurate.

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Having actually ordered from Tyler, waited, and eventually received my merchandise, my only complaint is the wildly inaccurate delivery estimate on their site, and the lack of communication. Fix that, and they're just like many other single-source vendors for unique items in the hobby.

One does not need to order from them to be aware of their business practices. They can read the comments posted here for years about them.

All I've done is joined a conversation on this forum and have posted nothing but facts.

If you disagree with anything specific I've said please feel free to address that.

 

[6518John]

Order received today

I placed an order with Tyler on 4/10/20. Order received today (2/22/21) so about 10 months give or take a couple of weeks.

 

[arjay]

If everyone would just stop ordering for about a year,I'd bet he could get caught up with his backlog. But the orders keep rolling in [emoji23]
It's a great position to be in lol

 

[Eagle1*]

If everyone would just stop ordering for about a year,I'd bet he could get caught up with his backlog. But the orders keep rolling in [emoji23]
It's a great position to be in lol

AGREED... Great products but the above is true...

 

[Borderboss]

If everyone would just stop ordering for about a year,I'd bet he could get caught up with his backlog. But the orders keep rolling in [emoji23]
It's a great position to be in lol

Given the way the guy does business, if the orders stopped I bet he would go out of business and the outstanding orders would never get filled. His current business model smells like a Ponzi scheme, where the current money coming in is supplying materials to fill the old orders. At some point, the house of cards collapses.

 

[majick47]

Surprised a larger company hasn't offered to buy Tyler out and turn the business around. Isn't like Tyler is mfg anything very high tech here. Just poor business practices that will catch up with them in the long haul.

 

[rockquarry]

Surprised a larger company hasn't offered to buy Tyler out and turn the business around. Isn't like Tyler is mfg anything very high tech here. Just poor business practices that will catch up with them in the long haul.

The Tyler guy is a mastermind of marketing, even if he doesn't know it. He offers a product that has greater cosmetic than practical appeal yet it stays in demand. Many who buy from him know the wait will be a long one but they place orders anyway then complain about how long it takes to get them.

The Tyler guy works at his own pace and is not in any way encumbered with modern technology in today's "want it right now" world. That's sort of refreshing. He has more business than he can keep up with. How many of us could be so fortunate with such an endeavor?

Some call the Tyler guy a criminal and accuse him of fraud, but he's not a crook, just slow and "slow" isn't a crime. I'm kind of envious of the Tyler guy.

 

[arjay]

The Tyler guy is a mastermind of marketing, even if he doesn't know it. He offers a product that has greater cosmetic than practical appeal yet it stays in demand. Many who buy from him know the wait will be a long one but they place orders anyway then complain about how long it takes to get them.

The Tyler guy works at his own pace and is not in any way encumbered with modern technology in today's "want it right now" world. That's sort of refreshing. He has more business than he can keep up with. How many of us could be so fortunate with such an endeavor?

Some call the Tyler guy a criminal and accuse him of fraud, but he's not a crook, just slow and "slow" isn't a crime. I'm kind of envious of the Tyler guy.

I was self employed for decades. The family business had been larger with employees,subcontractors and the attendant headaches. I kept mine smaller and sometimes clients had to wait months before I could get to them. Most would wait,especially the ones I'd done work for previously. It's a great position to be in.

 

[Borderboss]

I was self employed for decades. The family business had been larger with employees,subcontractors and the attendant headaches. I kept mine smaller and sometimes clients had to wait months before I could get to them. Most would wait,especially the ones I'd done work for previously. It's a great position to be in.

Did you take your customers' money, and then tell them they would wait three weeks and instead deliver in 14 months? That's what Tyler is doing.

 

[arjay]

Big difference between $30 and $30,000 ;-)

 

[gr7070]

Some call the Tyler guy a criminal and accuse him of fraud, but he's not a crook, just slow and "slow" isn't a crime. I'm kind of envious of the Tyler guy.

This article by the Federal Trade Commission appears to suggest their business practices are not lawful.

From the link:

requires sellers to have a reasonable basis for claiming they can ship an order within a certain time and details what sellers should do if there is a delay

By law, a seller should ship your order within the time stated in its ads or over the phone. If the seller doesn't promise a time, you can expect it to ship your order within 30 days.

The shipment "clock" begins when the seller receives a "properly completed order." That includes your name, address and payment (check, money order or authorization to charge an existing credit account — whether the account is charged at that time or not).

If the seller is unable to ship within the promised time, it must notify you, give a revised shipping date and give you the chance to cancel for a full refund or accept the new shipping date. The seller also must give you some way to exercise the cancellation option for free — for example, by supplying a prepaid reply card or staffing a toll-free telephone number.

If you don't respond — and the delay is 30 days or less — it's assumed that you accept the delay and are willing to wait for the merchandise.
If you don't respond — and the delay is more than 30 days — the order must be canceled by the 30th day of the delay period and a full refund issued promptly.

How to file a complaint.

 

[Borderboss]

Big difference between $30 and $30,000 ;-)

Sure, but you still hate to get defrauded out of any amount when you're the victim.

 

[rockquarry]

This article by the Federal Trade Commission appears to suggest their business practices are not lawful.

From the link:

requires sellers to have a reasonable basis for claiming they can ship an order within a certain time and details what sellers should do if there is a delay

By law, a seller should ship your order within the time stated in its ads or over the phone. If the seller doesn't promise a time, you can expect it to ship your order within 30 days.

The shipment "clock" begins when the seller receives a "properly completed order." That includes your name, address and payment (check, money order or authorization to charge an existing credit account — whether the account is charged at that time or not).

If the seller is unable to ship within the promised time, it must notify you, give a revised shipping date and give you the chance to cancel for a full refund or accept the new shipping date. The seller also must give you some way to exercise the cancellation option for free — for example, by supplying a prepaid reply card or staffing a toll-free telephone number.

If you don't respond — and the delay is 30 days or less — it's assumed that you accept the delay and are willing to wait for the merchandise.
If you don't respond — and the delay is more than 30 days — the order must be canceled by the 30th day of the delay period and a full refund issued promptly.

How to file a complaint.

I'm not an expert, but any alleged violation may be of a civil nature rather than a criminal one. There's a big difference.

 

[gr7070]

I'm not an expert, but any alleged violation may be of a civil nature rather than a criminal one. There's a big difference.

Very true to all that. Including my lack of expertise.

 

[CH4]

I'm not an expert, but any alleged violation may be of a civil nature rather than a criminal one. There's a big difference.

Exactly
On their website it discloses their slow/poor business practices and how to get your money back if you change your mind and don't want to wait. It's a small claims action at best. The Feds have bigger fish to fry.

 

[sipowicz]

Here's one on eBay for a 100 bucks that looks like it was found on a shipwreck. I've seen them ask as much as $200!

 

[Rodmaker01]

I ordered one in April of 2020. Got it in December. Eight months. Ordered two more early in February. I fully epected not to see them until fall. They arrived yesterday. Four weeks to the day. Go figure. Ordering two more today. I'll pop smoke when they get here.