Un- documented gun

[GerSan69]

Fascinating thread!
But I still don't understand why the OP feels a need to carry an undocumented gun. Plan on needing a throwdown, maybe?
Since he lives in NC and is most likely looking for info about his home, I think all the references to other places are a waste of time. The short answer, obtained by reading the NC law, would be that NC requires a permit from the sheriff every time you buy a handgun from anyone, dealer or private sale, or otherwise get a handgun as a gift or inheritance. Under those circumstances, if you're saying you didn't obtain a permit for the undocumented pistol prior to taking possession of it, it's illegal.

 

[LenS]

As has been said there is no federal or state registration requirement for handguns. If your gun is not stolen there is no problem.

Not entirely true. Some states (MA & NY for example) do indeed register guns to owners in some fashion or other. However in MA it's not illegal to be carrying someone else's gun. I did that many years ago when my only CCW was shipped off to repair. I've ccw'd my Wife's gun, she's taken my guns to a class when I wasn't present. No issue at all.

One implication I could see is a question of your judgment at a civil hearing after a shooting involving the "undocumented gun."Whether it's right or wrong, most attorneys would love to show a lack of good judgment on your behalf by possessing and using an "undocumented gun." There does not need to be a real lack of judgment on your part; however, it could be used to plant a seed in the mind of jurors or a judge. Also, Internet searches may reveal you posed this question in the past. I would look up the laws and do what ever you need to do to remedy this. It may not even be an issue. However if after research it's still unclear, you may want to look at using another gun.

Whether willful ignorance or true ignorance many in MA believe all guns have to be registered. Yesterday I testified as an expert witness in a gun case where the Asst. DA cross examined me with "don't all guns in MA have to be registered?" No, then he countered with some more questions along the same line. Trying to make the defendant a further criminal for not registering his guns perhaps. MA only exempts moving into the state with your guns, if you do that you NEVER have to register them with the state.

Many police officers in MA also believe that when they check the state database of gun transactions that all guns must show up against the person who has it in possession. Not true, but they sometimes do jack people up on it.

 

[wheelgunguy]

Yes Sir that is the one. I wish I knew how you got it posted here. Thank a bunch for helping me out.

You're welcome. I just found it on youtube and clicked the share icon. Then copy and paste what is in the box that shows up below the icon.

 

[HCH]

So what happens to the 4473 forms when a gun store closes and goes out of business?

 

[captainjohnsofd]

In New Jersey each handgun purchased required a "permit to purchase" form which was filled out but the dealer or private seller. A copy went to the NJSP, the town police where the purchaser resides, the buyer and the seller. There is a database in New Jersey. When I worked in a LGS I would receive calls from the NJSP firearms office about handguns that were stolen, etc. I moved to Washington State where no such database exists.

 

[Michagun]

Yes, BUT, there is NO government database - that is ILLEGAL...

Yeah, Just like our phone records. You can bet the farm that the government databases have records of every firearm sale and also have copies of all state registration or sale records. They may not be available to the public or under FOIA, but the fbi, nsa, and other government agents have access based on their security clearance and the need to know.

 

[Fox4506]

Yes, BUT, there is NO government database - that is ILLEGAL...

And...

There are no people in the US without legal immigration documents...because that is ILLEGAL...

Those same people don't work in the US...because that is ILLEGAL...

And those same people don't drive cars in the US without a drivers license or insurance...because that is ILLEGAL...

And there aren't cities in the US that protect those people that are here illegally by not calling immigration authorities on them once they find out they're here illegally...because that is ILLEGAL...

Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's not being done...and it doesn't mean the government is going to enforce the law either.

Fox

 

[Rastoff]

So what happens to the 4473 forms when a gun store closes and goes out of business?

Good question. A short Google search showed this: https://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-14.pdf

Basically, they go to the ATF. Hmmm, kind of puts a damper on the thought that no records are kept.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Check your state law. You must follow YOUR STATE LAW not what you're told on the web.

Since when?????

 

[dogsoldier]

I have my CCP ,but most often carry an un-documented firearm. What are the implications or problems associated with that?
Just wondering if I happen to be stopped and checked. Will the officer do a serial number check on the gun and what happens if he does and finds its not registered to me?

Unless probable cause existed to make the officer THINK your firearm was stolen, a 10-29 check would not be warranted.

 

[suckersrus]

.... Buying a gun and filling out a 4473 only indicates that you are not a prohibited from making a purchase.

If only that were true....we would put information about the purchaser, not information about the firearm, on the form.