Sebago Son
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Neat Gun.... Just don't shoot +P's out of it.
Unbelievable find! Mismarked M-64!
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Isn't that the Model 64 that J. Edgar Hoover traded to Gen. Mc Arthur for the General's Model 60 (mismarked as a Model 36)?
acl864
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A friend of my bossman bought a pre-Model 10 that by the serial number was issued sometime during the transition to marking the frames with Model #'s. He was and is convinced that it's some kind of "special black steel" prototype. Even a post on here with pics and the responses of the knowledgable members identifying it as a common blued pre-model 10 couldn't convince him otherwise. I'll show him pics of you're gun. Maybe he'd like to add another "one of a kind" firearm to his collection, if you decide to part with it that is.
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Sgt 127
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Well, again, thanks for everybodies great comments and help on further tracking the history of what I have come to call "The Holy Grail of Springfield."
Early this morning, I continues my research on the little gem with a very good friend of mine who is a Master Electrician. I decided I needed to enlist the help of an expert, and, of course, he immediatly came to mind. Using special screwdrivers he brought along, we took the sideplate off, using knowledge I have gained on this forum. I am proud to say, we were able to remove the sideplate with little problem. The screwdriver did slip a little and barely nicked the sideplate a tiny bit, once again, showing the pristine stainless steel under the blue coating.
I found a diagram of a Model 64 on the internet and made the following discoveries. some of the internal parts were not coated with the blue finish and, still show the natural stainless steel, they are bright and shiny. My friend, the Master Electrician, confirmed that the color is EXACTLY the same as parts in the Stainless steel model 65 that we are using as a comparison. So now, two local experts, my friend the CPA AND the Master Electrician have both confirmed what I knew all along. My Master Electrician friend is an older guy who had cataract surgery and he wears those coke bottle looking glasses. I'll tell you what, when I put those on, it was like using a microscope. I swear, I could see the molecular structure of the stainless steel. In a way, it really feels like I am doing historical research. I know now how he felt the first time Carl Sagen looked at the Univerese.
Anyway, these parts, INSIDE the gun, are still in thier natural stainless steel finish:
The hand
The rebound slide
the cylinder stop
the trigger lever
The locking bolt
And, the center pin.
I will continue research on the links to Gen MacArthur, again, thank you S&WChad for giving me another trial to follow on this piece. I have already found some VERY interesting ideas to follow up on.
In this picture, you can clearly see the outline, of what appears to be, a Smith and Wesson K frame under the Generals shirt. As S&WCHAD pointed out, after the little slap down from his good friend George, it would make sense that he carry the gun a little more discreetly. I outlined where the gun is printing through his shirt.
And, another photo showing General MacArthur defending against a gun grab, again, exactly where he would be carrying the model 64:
Early this morning, I continues my research on the little gem with a very good friend of mine who is a Master Electrician. I decided I needed to enlist the help of an expert, and, of course, he immediatly came to mind. Using special screwdrivers he brought along, we took the sideplate off, using knowledge I have gained on this forum. I am proud to say, we were able to remove the sideplate with little problem. The screwdriver did slip a little and barely nicked the sideplate a tiny bit, once again, showing the pristine stainless steel under the blue coating.
I found a diagram of a Model 64 on the internet and made the following discoveries. some of the internal parts were not coated with the blue finish and, still show the natural stainless steel, they are bright and shiny. My friend, the Master Electrician, confirmed that the color is EXACTLY the same as parts in the Stainless steel model 65 that we are using as a comparison. So now, two local experts, my friend the CPA AND the Master Electrician have both confirmed what I knew all along. My Master Electrician friend is an older guy who had cataract surgery and he wears those coke bottle looking glasses. I'll tell you what, when I put those on, it was like using a microscope. I swear, I could see the molecular structure of the stainless steel. In a way, it really feels like I am doing historical research. I know now how he felt the first time Carl Sagen looked at the Univerese.
Anyway, these parts, INSIDE the gun, are still in thier natural stainless steel finish:
The hand
The rebound slide
the cylinder stop
the trigger lever
The locking bolt
And, the center pin.
I will continue research on the links to Gen MacArthur, again, thank you S&WChad for giving me another trial to follow on this piece. I have already found some VERY interesting ideas to follow up on.
In this picture, you can clearly see the outline, of what appears to be, a Smith and Wesson K frame under the Generals shirt. As S&WCHAD pointed out, after the little slap down from his good friend George, it would make sense that he carry the gun a little more discreetly. I outlined where the gun is printing through his shirt.
And, another photo showing General MacArthur defending against a gun grab, again, exactly where he would be carrying the model 64:
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Do we know the location of this underwear?
It would make a wonderful display with this gun......
Bedrock
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I used to have CPA's examine and verify my historically significant, one-of-a-kind firearms too. But a few years ago I discovered that there are people who know more about guns than even the sharpest CPA's. Goldfish breeders. Don't laugh. I never go to a gun show without taking a goldfish breeder along with me. I always have them dress incognito.
+Ps 
Look carefully at the picture and you will realize that this relic should NEVER be loaded with ANYTHING. There is NO WHOLE On the left side of this gub - DUH
Any idiot knows that if the whole isn't there the gub is just flat unsafe --- Drill a whole and you should be good to go --- Otherwise, ship the gun to S&W for destruction!
It could be that the whole fell off though. In that case the gub is OK and can be loaded with +P+ .357 Magnums.
OTOH -- This hole thread is most likely a hoax!
The OP doesn't even have 500 posts so (obviously) has no idea what he's talking about... The only way to prove that this is really an M64 is to have the original box (with the tools, of course). I may have one here - Send me one of those AMs and I'll look -=- NO PAYPAL!!
Look carefully at the picture and you will realize that this relic should NEVER be loaded with ANYTHING. There is NO WHOLE On the left side of this gub - DUH
Any idiot knows that if the whole isn't there the gub is just flat unsafe --- Drill a whole and you should be good to go --- Otherwise, ship the gun to S&W for destruction!
It could be that the whole fell off though. In that case the gub is OK and can be loaded with +P+ .357 Magnums.
OTOH -- This hole thread is most likely a hoax!
The OP doesn't even have 500 posts so (obviously) has no idea what he's talking about... The only way to prove that this is really an M64 is to have the original box (with the tools, of course). I may have one here - Send me one of those AMs and I'll look -=- NO PAYPAL!!
Maybe. They mysteriously disappeared years ago, but the authorities may have recovered them. You probably saw the news release.
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I swear I'm about to wet myself laughing at this one lol.
Art Doc
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Almost as rare as my 10" Registered Magnum.
Wow....this is incredible. What are the odds that right here on this forum within a few days of each other that a stainless 19-3 and a blued model 64 are found by forum members !!!
Don
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If you know a certified welder he can confirm that it is stainless by touching the frames of your two guns to a grinder. Stainless will not throw as many sparks. This is a seldom used but authentic method of verification.
setxn
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Just as I predicted on the other thread-exploding heads! Good stuff
stiab
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Sir, you are correct. That has happened to my guns about a dozen times (so far).
bmcgilvray
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It could not be stainless steel at all but only a plain ol' Model 45 that was mismarked "Model 10-7" AND incorrectly chambered for .38 Special instead of .22 Long Rifle.
If so then don't shoot CCI Stingers out of it.
If so then don't shoot CCI Stingers out of it.
Bullseye Smith
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Dang that is a nice blacken 64 with some wear, only 50 made with the pencil barrel. Priceless 
Is this Saturday Night Live? 
sheriffoconee
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...I have a cousin who used to live near the same town General McArthurs cousin passed through, and he confirmed both the size and condition of the underwear as belonging to the General, according to a guy who used to drive a truck that knows a Notary Public, Smith actually changed the designation of the Model 64 during WW1 to the Model 46, which was used to confuse Japanese spies...
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lightning strikes the GOLD - again
Congratulations on your stupendous find! I'll confess that I was a little envious of your lucky GOLD find, but it inspired me to keep searching!
My persistence paid off and I'd like to share my good fortune with you.
I too found a mis-marked M-64! It's looks a little different from the one you posted, but it might be mostly due to different lighting. Take a look!
Sometimes the blind squirrel indeed finds the nut. And, I think I have found GOLD!
I have never seen anything like this. A mismarked M-64! The crane is stamped M 10-7. I have looked it over carefully, and, there is no chance the stamping has been tampered with. Its clean and without question original. The serial number is 4D09XXX. Perfect bore on this pencil barrel example.
I will be sending off on a letter for this treasure as soon as possible, perhaps Mr Jinks can shed some light on how something like this could slip past the inspectors. It somehow made it through the entire process, blued and shipped without anyone catching on! Unbelievable, huh?
Anyway, here are the photos of the side of the gun, and, the frame stamping. As you can see, the blueing has worn off, just a tiny bit, near the muzzle, exposing the stainless steel underneath. Thank goodness this gun has just a tiny bit of wear on this otherwise pristine example, or, this treasure might never have seen the light of day! To say I am excited, is an understatement. Your comments are most certainly appreciated!
And, as you can see, the frame stamping is PERFECT!!!
I can only imagine what something like this is worth, please, no offers here on the forum, I certainly don't want to break any rules, but, I'll bet more than a few of you are chomping at the bit!!
Congratulations on your stupendous find! I'll confess that I was a little envious of your lucky GOLD find, but it inspired me to keep searching!
My persistence paid off and I'd like to share my good fortune with you.
I too found a mis-marked M-64! It's looks a little different from the one you posted, but it might be mostly due to different lighting. Take a look!
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Congratulations on your stupendous find! I'll confess that I was a little envious of your lucky GOLD find, but it inspired me to keep searching!
My persistence paid off and I'd like to share my good fortune with you.
I too found a mis-marked M-64! It's looks a little different from the one you posted, but it might be mostly due to different lighting. Take a look!
That's amazing, John!
I believe your example confirms the long-rumored, never proven, variable set lathes and Bridgeports used by S&W to create a plethora of various types of firearm frames and barrels.
The local water meter reader turned me on to this story some years ago. It seems he has an uncle who has a sixth cousin, three times removed. The cousin designed the original tooling using an Etch-A-Sketch, which had been smuggled into Springfield, MA., in 1936, by a Brazilian samba dancer.
If you go to Vermont, you won't have to have them dress incognito. Breeding goldfish and cows and the like is not illegal in Vermont.
MAG-NUM
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Oh this is all too funny! Best laugh I have had in a while
Bob
Boblongranger
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I am new to this forum,this is hysterical,think I'll hang around a little more and learn about S.S. hidden in blue.I have a MDL 19-3 that has some S.S showing in few places.
hiram2005
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Have you tried putting a magnet on the 10-7 to see if it really is stainless steel. A magnet won't stick to the barrel if it's stainless. Or maybe that's aluminium. Never mind I forget which it is.
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With the big smiley face at the bottom of the post, it must be that the original poster is having fun. Perhaps poking fun at another post of a gent who has a Model 66 mismarked as a Model 19?
Perish the thought!
Not a chance. None of the forum members here would ever poke fun at another, especially if they posess a highly valuable, one of a kind, never before seen, Holy Grail collector's item. Ever.
Not a chance. None of the forum members here would ever poke fun at another, especially if they posess a highly valuable, one of a kind, never before seen, Holy Grail collector's item. Ever.
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