Unfluted cylinders
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suckersrus
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BJoe
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I have a 627-0 . Are you saying that it does have the upgraded bolt and stop notches ?
That is correct. The 627 was dropped after only 278 revolvers produce and a larger bolt and stop notch were the change from 627 to 627-0
USAF385
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Cylinder weight.....
The extra weight of an unfluted cylinder causes extra wear...
Interesting. Got me wondering.
My fluted cylinder for my 686 (along with the ejector rod assembly) weighs in at 245 grams, or 8.64 oz.
The unfluted weighs in at 253 grams or 8.92 oz.
Not a lot. This got me thinking... Gee, the added weight of the rounds should be taken into consideration!
Lets try the fluted cylinder with some .357 mags (I believe 110gr):
11.71 oz
The unfluted with .38s (125gr)
11.68 oz
So.... For everyone concerned about the extra weight, I just illustrated that depending on the loads you use, the fluted can have more weight than the unfluted anyway.
Obviously, I'm not buying into the extra wear argument. The rounds you use will cause more of a weight variance than the cylinder being fluted or not.
The extra weight of an unfluted cylinder causes extra wear...
Interesting. Got me wondering.
My fluted cylinder for my 686 (along with the ejector rod assembly) weighs in at 245 grams, or 8.64 oz.
The unfluted weighs in at 253 grams or 8.92 oz.
Not a lot. This got me thinking... Gee, the added weight of the rounds should be taken into consideration!
Lets try the fluted cylinder with some .357 mags (I believe 110gr):
11.71 oz
The unfluted with .38s (125gr)
11.68 oz
So.... For everyone concerned about the extra weight, I just illustrated that depending on the loads you use, the fluted can have more weight than the unfluted anyway.
Obviously, I'm not buying into the extra wear argument. The rounds you use will cause more of a weight variance than the cylinder being fluted or not.
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Small increases in static weight amount to large increases in flywheel effect. You don't have to make the cylinder twice as heavy to have an adverse effect.
I like unfluted cylinders on C&B revolvers and some cartridge revolvers, but mostly I prefer fluted cyls on my cartridge revolvers.
Besides, molded and boned CC holsters for CC revolvers fit fluted cylinders better than unfluted cylinders, because the flutes are molded in to the holster.
On something like a Ruger SBH Hunter, I like the unfluted cyl.
It really depends on the specific revolver. I like the look of the unfluted on a 640 or 649.
I don't think it looks as good on a blued revolver as on a stainless revolver.
Unless the blue revolver has a high polish blue.
Unfluted just seems to look better when shiny.
A polished stainless revolver with a polished unfluted cyl would look good to me.
I like unfluted cylinders on C&B revolvers and some cartridge revolvers, but mostly I prefer fluted cyls on my cartridge revolvers.
Besides, molded and boned CC holsters for CC revolvers fit fluted cylinders better than unfluted cylinders, because the flutes are molded in to the holster.
On something like a Ruger SBH Hunter, I like the unfluted cyl.
It really depends on the specific revolver. I like the look of the unfluted on a 640 or 649.
I don't think it looks as good on a blued revolver as on a stainless revolver.
Unless the blue revolver has a high polish blue.
Unfluted just seems to look better when shiny.
A polished stainless revolver with a polished unfluted cyl would look good to me.
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BJoe
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Exactly! Theory is exactly that THEORY. In practice it is something else. If the 'massive' extra weight indeed make a difference Jerry would probably know it.
For some reason....
For some reason, they look more 'dangerous' to me. Unadorned yet effective.
For some reason, they look more 'dangerous' to me. Unadorned yet effective.
Jerry Miculek probably can run his revolvers almost as fast. Not minigun fast, but IIRC, somewhere in the range of 650-700rpm. (Rounds per minute, not revolutions...) As noted previously, he's been known to shoot both. Whether he's noticed any difference in handling or wear? Somebody ought to ask him.
Not me, I used to not like the unfluted cylinders, but have so many now in otherwise excellent revolvers that I quit worrying about it.
Regardless of what the internet "experts" say, JM uses an unfluted cylinder in the fastest of all his revos, his steel gun.
rog8732
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You state your opinion; as a verified FACT !... Any wiggle room ? Say; for instance on a Lew Horton 629 three inch with combat grips ?
If not, I guess I'll chunk mine in the back gully.
suckersrus
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JM uses the extra weight of unfluted cylinders to slow him down. When he first started shooting he used to shoot so fast his stainless steel guns would catch on fire!
He tried wrapping a bungee cord around the revolver. This worked to some extent except when the bungee cord would catch fire and what was left of the cord would unwind at dangerous speeds. On three different occasions he lost sight in one eye. I have an old photo I made one day at the Sleepy Hollow Range the day he lost his third eye. You can plainly see the bungee still smoldering. I'll dig through my things and if I can locate the pic I will post it.
In the industry they do not call an unfluted cylinder an unfluted cylinder anymore - they say the revolver has been Mic-i-licked.
The first liar does not stand a chance.
He tried wrapping a bungee cord around the revolver. This worked to some extent except when the bungee cord would catch fire and what was left of the cord would unwind at dangerous speeds. On three different occasions he lost sight in one eye. I have an old photo I made one day at the Sleepy Hollow Range the day he lost his third eye. You can plainly see the bungee still smoldering. I'll dig through my things and if I can locate the pic I will post it.
In the industry they do not call an unfluted cylinder an unfluted cylinder anymore - they say the revolver has been Mic-i-licked.
The first liar does not stand a chance.
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scooter123
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Back around 2010 0r 2011 a fellow who shoots competitively posted is 4 inch model 610 for sale for 600 dollars. If you know about the 610 you would know that isn't a bargain basement price, it's a sub sub sub bargain basement price. One look at a closeup of the cylinder revealed the reason for that giveaway price, the stop notches were so badly peened that a new cylinder was needed.
Now, for some rather basic Physics that helps to explain that level of damage. In rotating bodies there is something called the Moment of Inertia which is basically the momentum of a rotating body. Two things act to increase the Moment of Inertia. One is an increase in the Diameter of that body. The other is an increase of the Mass of that body. The cylinder notches are positioned at the outside edge of the Diameter and this means that removing some Mass in this area will act to REDUCE the Moment of Inertia than removing the same amount of mass closer to the axis of rotation.
Now, I will admit that the lack of cylinder notches on the 4 inch 610 isn't the sole reason that cylinder was so beat up. The competition use that revolver was subjected to is likely to be the major cause of that damage. However basic Physics dictates that the lack of notches on the cylinder was a contributing factor even if it was a minor factor.
BTW, like many others I believe that leaving the cylinder notches off the cylinder not only makes it look unfinished, it's also a cost cutting measure that some people have bought into hook, line, and sinker.
harleytech1
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I have both , I like them both...!
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