Update on showing a late night druggie my 27-2 in 3.5"

[feralmerril]

Maybe thats how its suppose to work in theory but in all those years I can only remember maybe two or three times the police comeing in and that was on undercover drug busts. Otherwise we always hauled someone to the gate and gave them to the police or deputys. Thats my lone observation, obvisley I wasnt present at other shifts and all plant coverage at the same time. Things certainly could and probley did happen that I didnt hear about as the place is big, yet while I was there I never heard of a conflict of any kind between our department and leo.
I will tell you that not one time ever was a emt, fire dept or leo allowed in without a guard escourt. There was a exception where a deputy hired in and worked undercover to bust a drug problem we had. Of course that was worked out prior with our powers that were. Untill the last number of years we had our own fire department with qualified fire fighters, and emts. Finaly they got demanding too much pay and benifits and all but a couple to check exstinguishers, and give out welding permits etc were fired and the company then contracted the county. When I was there the last 30 years or so we wore the exact same uniform as los angeles county sheriffs dept did. Of course our patchs and badges were different. I will say our company wasnt cheap about it either. We got all items we wanted with no argument and they gave us a generous weekly allowance to clean them too. I definetly wasnt their poster boy, I wore color coded suspenders for the last 10 years or so. They left me alone. I know it bugged one or two captains that were spit and polish former marines. For a guard, I doubt there was a better place to work in the united states than lockheed. I think I still hold the longest seniorty record there.

 

[model70hunter]

I do agree with the idea that we all can learn from other`s experiances. I see model70hunter is or was a LEO. I am sure he must have a vast amount of experiance to draw from as I have. I spent most my life as a graveyard guard for lockheed aircraft a huge place and lived in the dark and answered various calls and checked out people, lost, tresspassers, drunks etc sometimes several times a night. Now I realise most people dont have model 70s or my experiance and generic advice might be safer for the multitudes. I will give you that. It is kind of fun to relate some of those experiances here and there, though. I aint got nothing else but memories.

Thanks for watching my back.

 

[model70hunter]

Da-meaner your demeanor is, the more you scare them..

Excellent observation.

 

[model70hunter]

Thanks to all who responded with a like.

My event was not intended to create issues between forum members. Again it is my story, for those of you who would have handled it differently that is fine. But remember I have had a little training, have had experience and keep in mind there had been some home invasion robberies here in the past year. With my family in mind, the door was a better place. I also played college football I had one hand on the door, was braced and was in position to jam my shoulder into the door.

Someone mentioned answering the door and pointing a gun at someone. Don't know what thread you read, but the gun was held against my right leg, I let it slide into view and it was pointed down.

I feel I have already explained too much.

I also feel several here need to think about how you have demeaned a fellow member and attacked their credentials. I do not know Feralmerril, but I have enjoyed his input. If you feel you may have offended someone on the forum by below the belt remarks an apology would be very nice.

 

[LVSteve]

What's this opening the door nonsense? I don't care how quick you might be with a gun or how many badges you have, that just is not smart IMHO.

 

[feralmerril]

Thanks for that. I always had a quick temper but I always try to be quick to apologise. In my incident it was almost the same as model 70hunters. I also never pointed the gun at the guy but did make a point of letting him see it hanging straight down in my hand. I have one more bedtime war story. On this one I was off the job. According to most here I broke every rule yet I dont regret it. I do wish I had put the man in the hospital but didnt do that either. Around 1967 I and a older friend was on a motorcycle trip and this took place in either fresno or modesto california. I had worked all night and I belive we took off in the morning after work. We rode to yosemite NP where I had worked years prior. I was dog tired and we stopped in one of those towns and got a cheap downtown motel. It had sort of a narrow alcove by the door with the bathroom takeing up space. My friend was a small man, not a lot bigger than a midget. At the time he looked to me like a old man because I was so young but I suppose he was maybe pushing 50.
I hit the sack right away. It was still early, maybe only 8 or 9 o`clock. I just got in a deep sleep and he woke me up hollering for me to call the police. I got up and seen he was trying to hold the door shut while a tall south of the border crop picker was trying to shove it in. In those days I was about 26 years old and considered myself tough. Anyway I wasnt scared of nobody even though maybe I should have been. I tried to pull my buddy away from the door hopeing to let him burst in so I culd cold cock him. My buddy tried to keep me from doing it. The guy did see me and ran down the hall. I was buck naked, about 6 ft 2" and maybe 270 back then. I slipped on my levis and boots, put a model 60 in my pocket and ran outside. I DID catch him as he was trying to drive out the motel lot. It was a very hot night and he had the window down. You got to picture this, me with no tee shirt, 275 lbs of lard, muscle and boobs!
There were people standing in the driveway with their mouths hanging open as this was almost in the center of downtown. I, sorry to say, done some fast calcalating. Here I am out of my area with a illegal loaded revolver in my pocket, No permit for CC, the man is I think, drunk and learning english fast trying to say he thought a friend was in that room etc.
I was fairly new on my first good paying job and had been preached to at work any trouble off the job at all and I was fired etc. I let him go. I still regret that!

 

[Old TexMex]

I have a vestibule, with a trap door....and a pool of alligators under it.

 

[ditrina]

I was testing the home sale waters 2 weeks ago with a real estate agent. Turns out she rents out a couple condo's my BIL owns, small world.
We discussed comps and the 'hood. Then she told me something a bit shocking, there were sellers in the area who left their doors unlocked, at least during the day anyway.
Imagine that, in NY in 2013.
PS: I'm not ready to leave just yet.

And I was just getting the spare dog house .errr I mean bedroom ready..

 

[dcxplant]

I have a vestibule, with a trap door....and a pool of alligators under it.

No moat? Cheapskate!

 

[Kanewpadle]

I answer the door too. The difference is, I have a steel security door that opens outward and cannot be forced in. I can see through it fine. I can carry on a conversation and still hide my gun behind my leg. Works well. And I've done it a few times.

Many years ago a drunk banged on our door at 2:30 in the morning. He did know it but had the wrong apartment. I yelled back through the door but he didn't listen.

So I opened the door and showed him the business end of a model 57. He sobered up real quick.

The next morning I saw him in the parking lot. He said the only thing he could remember about the night before was a BIG gun!

 

[Old TexMex]

No moat? Cheapskate!

Oh ho...I live on an island. It came with a moat

 

[trapper704]

I had a retired state policeman give me some good security advice when I was 18 that I still remember and utilize to this day at 67. Point a pistol at some one and you will have to shoot someday, rack the action of a shotgun behind closed doors, and there will be nobody there when you do.

 

[billdeserthills]

A simple "the police have already been called" may have worked as well, granted not as much fun, but now 2 creeps know where to go to steal guns.

Not only that but there do exist places where you could be charged for brandishing. Sounds like the first doper doesn't get it yet either, if he is back for more & talking with the wife...

 

[Gunslinger808]

Wassup BDH!
Long time no see.
AZS member.

 

[Smoke]

I seem to recall the Supreme Court ruling that LEO's had no duty to respond. So they only have to respond when the odds are in their favor. They get to use their heads.

I have the utmost respect for LEO's, but I have to say, if your job is too dangerous or performing your job makes you nervous, find something else to do. I believe you knew exactly what you were getting into when you signed up. yes, your job is sometimes stressful, and yes dangerous. But you picked it.

Attempting to belittle someone because you think your superman is a bit boorish. Let's grow a little and realize there are other people in the world besides Cops and bad guys.

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From reading your post I think you are under the mistaken impression that I am a cop. I am a security guard and every response I made to this little off shoot of the main topic was as a security guard.

Speaking as a security guard about security guards I can tell you that security work and police work are two entirely different fields with two entirely different sets of responsibilities.

Police are charged with keeping the peace and responding to criminal activity where my number one mission at work is “to deliver world class customer service”.

For a security guard to claim that our job equals law enforcement is extremely pretentious and i make a habit of correcting that bit of misinformation where ever I see it.

 

[Smoke]

So I opened the door and showed him the business end of a model 57. He sobered up real quick.

In Colorado doing so could very likely be considered felony menacing. Especially considering your story makes it fairly clear the guy wasn’t getting through your security door. I don’t use my gun to make a point and I don’t introduce it into a situation unless I can justify deadly force

 

[Donn]

I never answer the door after dark.
I'll go to the window and ask what they want, gun in hand of course.
They never know that the gun is there and they can't rush you.

+1. Never stand square to the door either.

 

[hangnoose]

OK WHIP IT OUT

Everyone measuring and comparing the length of their "occupations". LOL. "mines more dangerous than yours."

 

[DeadAye]

Everyone measuring and comparing the length of their "occupations". LOL. "mines more dangerous than yours."

I Googled *Extremely Dangerous Jobs* and mines didn't even make the most 25 list
Security guard was 20th
Cop 5th
Commercial Fisherman and Logger were 1 & 2...

I'll bet that at one time not so very long ago that miner was right up there though.

 

[hangnoose]

MOST DANGEROUS JOB

NAH, a buddy of mine had the most dangerous. A traffic control cop in Manhattan. The guys/Gals with the white gloves with all "the moves", directing traffic. He would usually get hit by a bike messenger or taxi almost daily.