Pfizer released the study of their Covid vaccine after using it on over 40,000 test subjects, claiming a 90%+ effectiveness, and stating they can have several million doses available for the critical groups by end of year. If this is real, once they ramp up production for mass distribution we could start to see the arc of this pandemic behind us.
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Wall Street maybe be rallying on this information, but many healthcare folks have been well aware of this situation for some time, except for that awesome 90% efficacy. Without disclosing sensitive information, each state was told to be ready in the first week of November to administer the COVID vaccine. That target date has passed, but my understanding is 2020 will vaccination happen.
1) Pfizer and partner BioNTech said Monday that their vaccine against Covid-19 was strongly effective, exceeding expectations of a 60-70% effectiveness in the two-shot vaccine series.
2)The vaccine is expected to go into limited distribution in December under an Emergency Use Authorization.
3) A full safety approval is expected in 2021 as more than 100 million courses become available. The devil is in the details, but Walgreens and CVS will be delivering the vaccine to nursing home patients in many places. The Feds have made it clear they will pay the majority vaccine delivery costs.
4) There is a significant delta between the production and US population presently. That means the first six months or so vaccine with be strictly rationed - high risk healthcare works and highest risk public. That said, vaccine has a real opportunity to seriously reduce the COVID risk by Fall 2021.
Good news, but we have a lot of Americans who will die if we don't stay focused.
1) Pfizer and partner BioNTech said Monday that their vaccine against Covid-19 was strongly effective, exceeding expectations of a 60-70% effectiveness in the two-shot vaccine series.
2)The vaccine is expected to go into limited distribution in December under an Emergency Use Authorization.
3) A full safety approval is expected in 2021 as more than 100 million courses become available. The devil is in the details, but Walgreens and CVS will be delivering the vaccine to nursing home patients in many places. The Feds have made it clear they will pay the majority vaccine delivery costs.
4) There is a significant delta between the production and US population presently. That means the first six months or so vaccine with be strictly rationed - high risk healthcare works and highest risk public. That said, vaccine has a real opportunity to seriously reduce the COVID risk by Fall 2021.
Good news, but we have a lot of Americans who will die if we don't stay focused.
The notes we received from the Chief of Staff indicated DOD is ordering over 11 million doses for DOD personnel and family members
Absalom
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It sounds like a horrible cliche because it is, but as the saying goes:
It'll get worse worse before it gets better. Just looking at the numbers and the way they're heading, we're looking at a few tough months, but the vaccine news seem to be a real light at the end of the tunnel, not just another oncoming train.
It'll get worse worse before it gets better. Just looking at the numbers and the way they're heading, we're looking at a few tough months, but the vaccine news seem to be a real light at the end of the tunnel, not just another oncoming train.
Not sure about all that. Many people are and will get it but the death and hospital rates seem to be way down for the number of positive results. The timing of the vaccine release is not surprising though.
ggibson511960
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The Curve is Flat
There is way more good news than bad. The cumulative death total looks awful, 237,000 at this writing, but the daily infection and death rates are steady. This is exactly what was hoped for last Spring. Here in Tejas ICU Covid cases are less than 20%. Treatment protocols have made a huge difference. Infection rates are holding as is he more relevant multiplication factor. The incredibly dire death predictions from computer models without any authentication or peer review have proven spectacularly wrong. The famous Washington Model is on the dust bin of history. Covid is bad but our politicians and public health officials have not helped. Look who is riding to the rescue...........big bad villainous Big Pharma. The grievance industry will now crank up to find any inequity they can conjure about unfair vaccine distribution.
There is way more good news than bad. The cumulative death total looks awful, 237,000 at this writing, but the daily infection and death rates are steady. This is exactly what was hoped for last Spring. Here in Tejas ICU Covid cases are less than 20%. Treatment protocols have made a huge difference. Infection rates are holding as is he more relevant multiplication factor. The incredibly dire death predictions from computer models without any authentication or peer review have proven spectacularly wrong. The famous Washington Model is on the dust bin of history. Covid is bad but our politicians and public health officials have not helped. Look who is riding to the rescue...........big bad villainous Big Pharma. The grievance industry will now crank up to find any inequity they can conjure about unfair vaccine distribution.
LVSteve
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Which begs the question, how many people live in your county? There's a bit of variation in that stat around the country.
LVSteve
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The US has typically lagged Western Europe in timing of cases. Right now England just started a four week lockdown with at least one major hospital in the Manchester area no longer taking ER cases because their intensive care capacity is maxed out. Portugal is also partly locked down. The infection rate in Germany and France has also spiked. If we drop our guard, we're next. Actually, the Vegas area is already on the up, as are parts of the Midwest.
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UncleEd
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Many, many "ifs" exist on this new
vaccine.
One big problem reported is must be
kept refrigerated at 90 degrees below
zero. Also, still not known how
long the effects of vaccine will last.
It's a two-dose protocol.
Availability is not just around the corner.
vaccine.
One big problem reported is must be
kept refrigerated at 90 degrees below
zero. Also, still not known how
long the effects of vaccine will last.
It's a two-dose protocol.
Availability is not just around the corner.
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I'm confused. How can this be?
How many experts emphatically said that a vaccine couldn't/won't possibly be ready by the end of the year?
I'm trying my hardest to believe what I'm told to believe.
How many experts emphatically said that a vaccine couldn't/won't possibly be ready by the end of the year?
I'm trying my hardest to believe what I'm told to believe.
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BigBill
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Where did Trumps vaccine come from?
It is still not ready for distribution, I thin they need to get more positive cases among the control group before getting actual approval and then they can go for FDA approval.
Here it is
But, Gruber (William Gruber, Pfizer senior vice president of vaccine clinical research and development} said he now expects that by the time of the planned meeting of the FDA's vaccine advisory committee in December, the study's efficacy portion could be completed, having reached 164 cases of Covid-19.
So early next year is still the time line. First medical front line, then seniors with conditions, then seniors working down towards general population so it may be 6 months to a year for all of general population.
Here it is
But, Gruber (William Gruber, Pfizer senior vice president of vaccine clinical research and development} said he now expects that by the time of the planned meeting of the FDA's vaccine advisory committee in December, the study's efficacy portion could be completed, having reached 164 cases of Covid-19.
So early next year is still the time line. First medical front line, then seniors with conditions, then seniors working down towards general population so it may be 6 months to a year for all of general population.
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twodog max
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I find the timing of this announcement very suspicious. Along with many other aspects of this viral event.
A vaccine usually takes 10 years from what I read? Bravo Warp Speed.
Many more vaccines are following.
The timing of the announcement is wholly suspect.
Many more vaccines are following.
The timing of the announcement is wholly suspect.
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I'm pretty thick.
Please explain why timing is circumspect.
Please explain why timing is circumspect.
The difference is that the US has six times the ICU beds per capita than Great Britain does. Only Germany comes close . . .
The Countries With The Most Critical Care Beds Per Capita [Infographic]
The Countries With The Most Critical Care Beds Per Capita [Infographic]
I assume you'll still want access to the Emergency Department, ambulance transport, and Critical Care if you get sick.
How's your home stash of high-flow O2?
Ranger17
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Only speaking for myself but up here the #'s have been skyrocketing. We are averaging over 5k positives a day and %'s over 30. Hospitalization issues are high as well. We have friends who work in area hospitals and its worse than what our news shows.
As this year has been brutal for so many from a health aspect to business and schooling, i look forward to whenever us normal folk (not in medical or first responder fields, etc) can get a vaccine. And I know for us that likely means sometime next year. But if it gives a chance to return to normal and to stay safe I am all for it.
Only my .02
As this year has been brutal for so many from a health aspect to business and schooling, i look forward to whenever us normal folk (not in medical or first responder fields, etc) can get a vaccine. And I know for us that likely means sometime next year. But if it gives a chance to return to normal and to stay safe I am all for it.
Only my .02
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Grayfox
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Do y'all know how many horror movies start with an epidemic and a rushed vaccine with weird "side effects"? 
I'm having trouble coming up with one. Lots start with epidemics or meteor strikes or nuclear accidents . . .
Do y'all know how many horror movies start with an epidemic and a rushed vaccine with weird "side effects"?
Chief Wiggums
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my crew will continue to "mask-up" until further notice.
same regiment of washing hands , disinfecting , general cleanliness.
Related note:
since the virus , hand disinfectant has been on allocation. the new "stuff" , smells like tequila, IMO.
Nasty......
same regiment of washing hands , disinfecting , general cleanliness.
Related note:
since the virus , hand disinfectant has been on allocation. the new "stuff" , smells like tequila, IMO.
Nasty......
Jon651
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Sorry, but Pfizer and this vaccine is not part of Operation Warp Speed. They refused to join and never took a dime of federal money for it.
The President has not been given a vaccine, or at least disclosure of such hasn't been made public.
The treatment he received at the Walter Reed facility likely included a monoclonal antibody treatment. This is done as an infusion, and is considered a therapeutic rather than a vaccine.
A local hospital is scheduled to start trial administration of a similar therapeutic early next month. Early data is very encouraging, only drawback is the challenge of administration through already-stretched hospital resources.
Pfizer's money came from the German gov't. About $445 million. But don't worry, they're gonna recoup by selling about $2B worth of vaccine to the US Gov't as part of a July 2020 agreement . . .
Absalom
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This isn't a miracle cure. Even if the tests can be completed in record time, production and distribution to any level that has an impact will likely take most of next year. But it would be good news even if it just signals the beginning of the end.
The usual suspects will be suspicious. But this was largely developed by Biontech in Germany, with Pfizer as the partner providing the organizational muscle, and not just the US, but the UK, the EU, and other governments of all stripes are busy acquiring options and negotiating acquisitions of the potential vaccine.
All the international activity appears to show that this is driven by realities that are much more important than US domestic political preoccupations.
The usual suspects will be suspicious. But this was largely developed by Biontech in Germany, with Pfizer as the partner providing the organizational muscle, and not just the US, but the UK, the EU, and other governments of all stripes are busy acquiring options and negotiating acquisitions of the potential vaccine.
All the international activity appears to show that this is driven by realities that are much more important than US domestic political preoccupations.
You think everyone here would be cheering, but no you just can't.
God Bless America
God Bless America
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