Valuation & Info For A 1932? M&P .38 Revolver

I don't believe it to be a 1932, I think it's much earlier. Before 1921 or 1922 as it's missing the "One Line Adrress". The One Line Adrress was started in 21 or 22 (I think) and ended in April or so of 1948.
I am not going off the serial number, nor do I know the "years" that box was used.

Bob

It is curious the "Made in USA" stamp is not present, or at least is not visible. I did not notice that. But if the SN provided is correct, it is definitely a 1930s gun, reinforced by the correct 1930s-style grips and the barrel-shaped extractor rod knob.
 
The time placement by the serial number is quite unequivocal. The "MADE IN U.S.A" on the right frame should be there. It may just be the lighting, but I don't see it either, which is a bit odd. Other than that my eyes may be deceiving me, does anyone have an explanation? Is it just washed out by the camera's shadow?

Poor lighting. Also the hammer says reg us patent. The serial # is on the butt of the grip frame and is hard to read with the naked eye.
 

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Poor lighting. Also the hammer says reg us patent. The serial # is on the butt of the grip frame and is hard to read with the naked eye.

Well... there you go.
A "One Liner" (aka One Line Adrress)
Now, let's figure out this box.....
I do not know why the revolver wont fit in the box with out the hammer being cocked. My guess is the hammer was changed at some point....? Or..... if the front sight was changed from the "half coin".... would this push it farther into the box (right or left) depending how it was layed in the box?
Is there a serial # on the bottom of the box? If so does it match the revolver? Damn, this stuff is fun!
Bob
 
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All S&W revolvers are test fired before they leave the factory, so collectors that like "unfired" guns and pay high prices for same, are really saying they are paying for guns with no drag line ring on the cylinder from the cylinder stop dragging as the cylinder revolves. Test firing at the factory usually does not leave drag mark, as only a few rounds are fired. Fire a dozen, or more, rounds and you will see the start of the drag line on blued guns. So an "unfired" S&W revolver really shouldn't exist outside of the factory, unless it's a lunch box gun or an employee made gun, and will be "open on the books." Ed.
 
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Msd's 38 M&P is the first I've seen that was accompanied by a S&W target. Registered Magnums may have had such, but I'm not even sure about that. To me, it suggests that the gun may have been a special order, perhaps with the Patridge/Call bead front sight. Question for the experts: was including a test target "Compliments of S&W" typical for guns (especially M&P's) back in the 1930's?

That gun is very intriguing; wonder to whom it was shipped. -S2
 
No factory shipped cocked guns, so that's one less option to consider about the box. Don't store the gun cocked. Or even in that box.


Something's very strange about that gun/box matchup.
 
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No factory shipped cocked guns, so that's one less option to consider about the box. Don't store the gun cocked. Or even in that box.


Something's very strange about that gun/box matchup.

Without the wax paper it barely fits. And I apologize for all the pics being sideways, learning this forum.
 

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No factory shipped cocked guns, so that's one less option to consider about the box. Don't store the gun cocked. Or even in that box.


Something's very strange about that gun/box matchup.

This may explain it. Now I need to see if one of the others has the serial # that's on the bottom of the box.
 

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I forgot to comment on the outer sleeve. I have heard about these, but yours is the first I have seen. Most of these guns are sent to distributors, gun shops, hardware stores, etc., and would have been discarded before putting the gun on the shelf or in the case. I wonder if that revolver was shipped directly to your great-grandfather?

As for the serial number, I have seen examples of where a similar serial number stamped stock was put on the wrong gun. Honest mistake and still accepted as "matching". I can only guess, but my thought is that the boxes are a different story. This assembly should go something like this. Guns come to stations for packaging. Worker picks the correct end tag and box to match the gun. After everything is put in the box, including the gun, the worker turns the box over and places the serial number on the bottom. To transpose one number in your mind while writing would not be unusual, but that number is quite different. Still, the gun appears to fit the box very nicely without issue. Remember that the box was never constructed to last, but rather get the gun to the owner without damage. The corners of these boxes are only held together by two pieces of paper glued to the inside and outside of the pasteboard, so are inherently weak. With the sleeve and company address, I would letter it to see what you find out about the recipient and the front sight.
 
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I forgot to comment on the outer sleeve. I have heard about these, but yours is the first I have seen. Most of these guns are sent to distributors, gun shops, hardware stores, etc., and would have been discarded before putting the gun on the shelf or in the case. I wonder if that revolver was shipped directly to your great-grandfather?

As for the serial number, I have seen examples of where a similar serial number stamped stock was put on the wrong gun. Honest mistake and still accepted as "matching". I can only guess, but my thought is that the boxes are a different story. This assembly should go something like this. Guns come to stations for packaging. Worker picks the correct end tag and box to match the gun. After everything is put in the box, including the gun, the worker turns the box over and places the serial number on the bottom. To transpose one number in your mind while writing would not be unusual, but that number is quite different. Still, the gun appears to fit the box very nicely without issue. Remember that the box was never constructed to last, but rather get the gun to the owner without damage. The corners of these boxes are only held together by two pieces of paper glued to the inside and outside of the pasteboard, so are inherently weak. With the sleeve and company address, I would letter it to see what you find out about the recipient and the front sight.

When everyone says letter you are referring to the smith and Wesson historical society?
 
"Question for the experts: was including a test target "Compliments of S&W" typical for guns (especially M&P's) back in the 1930's?"

At least this one was. The target is SNed to the gun.
 
When everyone says letter you are referring to the smith and Wesson historical society?

Yes. A link can be found on the Forum to download a request form. Add a check and some pictures and send off. Returns are quite fast as of recent months. You never know what you will find. At least, the front sight issue should be resolved, and, hopefully the gun was sent directly to your great-grandfather. This one might be just right for a keepsake of your ancestors to pass down to others in the family.
 
I read the end of the box, and it is for a four-inch M&P .38. Why would the serial number of any gun for that size box matter?


Color me confused!


And the butt and the hammer seem to be the tight fit spots, not the front sight. BTW, I did check that the box is for a sq. butt gun, not a round butt one.
 

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