Victory data base

Hello cdmcdoug:

Your Victory likely shipped from the factory in March or April, 1944 as a Lend Lease gun.

You will want to double check a couple of things. First, make sure that the cylinder has not been modified to shoot .38 Special as a number of these guns were so modified. Second, the ejector rod was blued when it left the factory. In the photo it appears to be parkerized, although that may just be the lighting. Finishes are difficult to judge in online photos. If it is not blued then that can be an indication that it has been replaced or refinished.

Hope that info is helpful to you.

Regards,
Charlie

Charlie,

Thanks for the info on the shipping date. Is there any more info out there that I can get on the gun which would be useful? Would it be worth investing in a factory letter?

It has not been modified and is still .38 S&W.

I can't tell what the finish is on the ejector rod. Is there a way I can tell the difference?

Thanks,
Chuck
 
stopped by the shop today and grabbed a pic of the serial , V 279223 , is this a known serial in your data base?

Hoo:

No, that serial is not in the Database. Is it a 4 inch .38 Special? Are there any markings on the left top strap? On the butt in your photo it appears to me that there is a faint Ordnance bomb mark to the left of the V. Can you confirm that?

If your answers to my questions are yes, no and yes I have some information that might be useful to you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
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Good day from the Czech Republic. my friend got Victory SN V759876. Barrel 5 inches. caliber changed from .38SW to .38.Special. Back of grip marked P, Kiel .579 inscription. Can you give me more info thanks
 
Good day from the Czech Republic. my friend got Victory SN V759876. Barrel 5 inches. caliber changed from .38SW to .38.Special. Back of grip marked P, Kiel .579 inscription. Can you give me more info thanks
The Kiel Polizei were furnished with Victory revolvers during the period of postwar occupation and perhaps beyond. I can't account for the conversion to .38 Special, other than perhaps it was done sometime after its service with Kiel. Below I've attached a photo of a documented Kiel Polizei Victory. Note the German proofs. Does your friend's Victory display such markings as well?
 

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The Kiel Polizei were furnished with Victory revolvers during the period of postwar occupation and perhaps beyond. I can't account for the conversion to .38 Special, other than perhaps it was done sometime after its service with Kiel. Below I've attached a photo of a documented Kiel Polizei Victory. Note the German proofs. Does your friend's Victory display such markings as well?
yes same. What is the approximate date of manufacture please? Did the German police forces have revolvers of both .38 Spec and 38SW calibers during the occupation? I personally own a Victory .38 spec (original) with Berlin police equipment.
 
What is the approximate date of manufacture please?
V759876 would date to 1945.
Did the German police forces have revolvers of both .38 Spec and 38SW calibers during the occupation? I personally own a Victory .38 spec (original) with Berlin police equipment
My impression has been that generally it was the British Service Revolver pattern that was furnished to the German police in the immediate postwar period, but I wouldn't exclude the possibility that local circumstances might've led to the U.S. version being distributed as well.
 
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Hoo:

If your revolver V279223 had no top strap markings and an Ordnance bomb on the butt, in this serial range that would have had some particular significance. However, your revolver does have top strap markings so the issue is now moot.

Your revolver likely shipped from the factory in the May-June, 1943 time frame.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Hello!
A few days ago I bought this revolver. It is a Victory model in .38 Special caliber. 4-inch barrel. I was wondering about the markings. The weapon does not have US ownership marks. There are military "P" acceptances on the frame, cylinder and barrel. Serial number V494865. On the buttstock is the letter "W" and the Geco logo. After the war, the weapon was used by the German police, and thier markings on the frame were later milled out. All parts are matching. From what I have learned so far, it may be a production intended for the OSS. Is this true?
Greetings from Poland!
 

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I inherited this S&W Victory from my dad. I remember him buying it from DCM (CMP) back in the 80's for $50...

Your memory might be off. CMP and DCM didn’t sell handguns during that time, and to my knowledge never sold 38 revolvers
During the 50’s&60’s prior to the gun control act of 1968 they did sell 1911’s to the public and were unable to until now currently after much legislative wrangling are selling 1911’s again. .
 
I would like to submit V10613 (1942?), inherited from my Grandfather. Thanks!
 

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I would like to submit V10613 (1942?), inherited from my Grandfather. Thanks!
Yes, 1942. Unfortunately it appears to have been buffed and reblued, so collector value is about nil, but that shouldn't affect its worth to you as a shootable heirloom.
 
Hello!
A few days ago I bought this revolver. It is a Victory model in .38 Special caliber. 4-inch barrel. I was wondering about the markings. The weapon does not have US ownership marks. There are military "P" acceptances on the frame, cylinder and barrel. Serial number V494865. On the buttstock is the letter "W" and the Geco logo. After the war, the weapon was used by the German police, and thier markings on the frame were later milled out. All parts are matching. From what I have learned so far, it may be a production intended for the OSS. Is this true?
The topic of Victory revolvers procured by or for the OSS seems to be a muddled one. My understanding is that such will letter as having been shipped to the United States Navy at Rosslyn, Virginia. I've read that some of those may have in fact been supplied to the German police postwar. The "W" stamped on the butt has been noted but its significance or meaning so far as I know remains unclear.
 
The topic of Victory revolvers procured by or for the OSS seems to be a muddled one. My understanding is that such will letter as having been shipped to the United States Navy at Rosslyn, Virginia. I've read that some of those may have in fact been supplied to the German police postwar. The "W" stamped on the butt has been noted but its significance or meaning so far as I know remains unclear.

Request for factory letter sent. I will post the answer :)
 
Hello, New member here.
I recently purchased a Victory with the Osterreich Polizie stamp on it. Sn is V1746, 38 S & W.

It is very nice condition.

Is there a particular book that deals with the Victory, especially the Bavarian Police loaners? I have Charlie Pate's US Handguns of WWII.

Thanks,
Harry

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Is there a particular book that deals with the Victory, especially the Bavarian Police loaners? I have Charlie Pate's US Handguns of WWII. Thanks,
Harry

Hello Harry:

Welcome to the Forum, and thanks for giving us the data on your revolver.

As far as books, Charlie Pate's book is far and away the best ever written on the subject of the Victory Model guns.

However, there was an article published within the past decade in the S&W Collectors Association Journal on the post-war issuance and use of the Victory by West German police forces. It was quite good. I don't have my reference materials handy so I cannot give you the date and issue of the Journal which contained that article. Maybe another S&WCA member can supply that information for you.

Regards,
Charlie
 
Some time ago i have published photos of my revolver here. I suspected that it was produced for the OSS because it does not have the US Propoerty inscription and the military acceptance in the form of a burning grenade. In addition, it has the W mark on the grip. Now it has been confirmed by a factory letter! My revolver was sold on December 21, 1943 on a government order and delivered to the OSS warehouse in Rosslyn. What's more, I probably deciphered the W symbol! Together with the certificate, I received a purchase invoice. Notice that in the upper left corner you have the contract number starting with ... W! In my opinion revolvers from this contract (it numbered 2610 pieces) have the letter W denoting this special contract!
Greetings from Poland
Bartosz Skolik from Arsenal Silesia (gun store)




 
Hey I have a .38 Special Victory with a 4" barrel, flaming bomb U.S. Property G.H.D. on the top strap, serial V 299390. Can anyone please give me any more details? Would be very appreciated.
 
Trying this again. I got this Victory at a local show in July 2023.

S/N is SV775003, with "US Property" and "GHD" on the top strap.

I know it's a late production, just trying for more info. Thanks.
 

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