Vortex Red Dot?

[Disabled1]

Ok, I'll bite. What kind of red dot is this? What are the specs? What is the battery life?

I think you got some bad advice on first pass, but with more info I would be willing to research it. I'm always looking for a steal on optics... never have found one though.

It's the FIELDSPORT MICRO RED DOT #D007R. I bought it from Amazon on 10/18/16, along with the .83" Tactical Gear riser mount, and it arrived in the mail 10/20/16. The cost was $19.99 for the red dot and $4.95 for the riser with my Amazon Prime account. With this riser it will co-witness on my Sport 1.
There are A LOT of videos on YOUTUBE about this red dot. Here is the best one;
Budget $20 Red Dot Keeps on Going !!! - YouTube
This is the website for the FIELDSPORT RED DOT.
Welcome to Field Sport! D007R

 

[highsideforum]

It's the FIELDSPORT MICRO RED DOT #D007R. I bought it from Amazon on 10/18/16, along with the .83" Tactical Gear riser mount, and it arrived in the mail 10/20/16. The cost was $19.99 for the red dot and $4.95 for the riser with my Amazon Prime account. With this riser it will co-witness on my Sport 1.
There are A LOT of videos on YOUTUBE about this red dot. Here is the best one;
Budget $20 Red Dot Keeps on Going !!! - YouTube
This is the website for the FIELDSPORT RED DOT.
Welcome to Field Sport! D007R

Is it me, or does your $20 red dot & riser combo look EXACTLY like the Primary Arms red dot they sell for $90 with riser ????

 

[cyphertext]

Is it me, or does this $20 red dot look EXACTLY like the Primary Arms red dot they sell for $90????

It very well could made at the same factory...using the same housing. Primary Arms are all Chinese made, with a little more quality control and testing before being sent out.

 

[Rastoff]

Is it me, or does your $20 red dot & riser combo look EXACTLY like the Primary Arms red dot they sell for $90 with riser ????

The PA has a removable base.

 

[Disabled1]

Is it me, or does your $20 red dot & riser combo look EXACTLY like the Primary Arms red dot they sell for $90 with riser ????

At my LGS, the range master/gunsmith told me that AIMPOINT makes these, but, they don't put their name on it. They make them for FIELDSPORT. Also, several other shooters/members at the range stated the same thing. They were the people that advised me to buy the RED DOT ONLY, not the RED/GREEN DOT version!
In this pic, I have it on setting #5. It has 11 settings.

 

[cyphertext]

At my LGS, the range master/gunsmith told me that AIMPOINT makes these, but, they don't put their name on it. They make them for FIELDSPORT. Also, several other shooters/members at the range stated the same thing. They were the people that advised me to buy the RED DOT ONLY, not the RED/GREEN DOT version!
In this pic, I have it on setting #5. It has 11 settings.

I guarantee you that this is not made by Aimpoint. They are not going to weaken their brand by making a $20 optic. Too much for them to risk... If word got out that they made this and it flopped, it damages their brand. If it was awesome, it damages their brand due to the pricing. You can't get an Aimpoint optic for $20.

It is a Chinese made optic that has been imported for sale in the US. The company looks like they may be trying to copy the Primary Arms model. Their website even looks like the old Primary Arms website.

So the question here is how does it compare to the known qualities of Primary Arms or Bushnell TRS-25? Can you save yourself $40 over the Bushnell?

 

[Disabled1]

I guarantee you that this is not made by Aimpoint. They are not going to weaken their brand by making a $20 optic. Too much for them to risk... If word got out that they made this and it flopped, it damages their brand. If it was awesome, it damages their brand due to the pricing. You can't get an Aimpoint optic for $20.

It is a Chinese made optic that has been imported for sale in the US. The company looks like they may be trying to copy the Primary Arms model. Their website even looks like the old Primary Arms website.

So the question here is how does it compare to the known qualities of Primary Arms or Bushnell TRS-25? Can you save yourself $40 over the Bushnell?

Why do you keep trying to knock me down? So, I don't have the money that you have, or, any other AR snob that thinks I am below them for buying a cheap red dot! It's all I can afford for now! In order for me to buy a BUSHNELL I would probably have to cut 1 meal a day or something like that. Why don't you just be happy for me and let go at that! Yeah, I own 2 AR's. But, I struggled to save for them. Could I have just saved the money for other things needed in life? Yes. But, if it takes me forever to save for something I want, then I will cut things out of my life! I still have hobbies and interests that I like to do.

 

[cyphertext]

Why do you keep trying to knock me down? So, I don't have the money that you have, or, any other AR snob that thinks I am below them for buying a cheap red dot! It's all I can afford for now! In order for me to buy a BUSHNELL I would probably have to cut 1 meal a day or something like that. Why don't you just be happy for me and let go at that! Yeah, I own 2 AR's. But, I struggled to save for them. Could I have just saved the money for other things needed in life? Yes. But, if it takes me forever to save for something I want, then I will cut things out of my life! I still have hobbies and interests that I like to do.

Not trying to knock you down. I don't think you are beneath me because you bought a "cheap red dot" either. But you spent your money on some bad advice. That optic is not made by Aimpoint and is not comparable to an Aimpoint.

My statement above was saying that it is more comparable to a Bushnell TRS-25... if the optic works out for you, then you saved yourself $40 over what I feel is a more comparable model. I wasn't saying that you had to go get a Bushnell.

Like I told you in the PM. Mount it and shoot with it. See how it does. If it holds zero, then cool. If it doesn't, send it back.

 

[C J]

I guarantee you that this is not made by Aimpoint. They are not going to weaken their brand by making a $20 optic.

I know nothing about this particular sight but I do know that companies make unbranded versions of their products and sell them at a greatly reduced price. I've seen it with my own eyes. I bought a winch for my ATV that was half the price of a name brand winch but the parts were identical. I had access to the name brand models and of course to the one I bought. It wasn't a $25 winch but it was way cheaper than the name brand. I've seen this with other items too. The company sells what they can with their brand on it at the higher price but they can make and sell them cheaper if they wanted so they do an unbranded version and deny they ever did it. Again I can't speak for this item but just one example that everyone might get. Isuzu made an SUV in the 1980's called the Rodeo. Honda bought a bunch of them and rebadged them. They sold their model for over $10,000 more than the identical (except for the badges) Isuzu version. It does happen. But even the Isuzu model was $20,000 or so.

 

[Disabled1]

Not trying to knock you down. I don't think you are beneath me because you bought a "cheap red dot" either. But you spent your money on some bad advice. That optic is not made by Aimpoint and is not comparable to an Aimpoint.

My statement above was saying that it is more comparable to a Bushnell TRS-25... if the optic works out for you, then you saved yourself $40 over what I feel is a more comparable model. I wasn't saying that you had to go get a Bushnell.

Like I told you in the PM. Mount it and shoot with it. See how it does. If it holds zero, then cool. If it doesn't, send it back.

GM cyphertext.
Again, I took your reply out of context. I have been on gun websites for a LONG time. Of ALL of them, THIS website is by far the BEST! AR members can come here and be themselves. Those "other" AR forums, well, they hold you to a higher standard. If you don't meet said higher standards then all you are is the scrapings off of their shoes after they walk through something nasty. Here, you can get friendly, knowledgeable information and advice, no matter what make AR you own. That was the one thing that I thought you were infringing on, by being like those "other" websites.
The red dot I purchased was only temporary until I get the money for something better. But, I wanted to get to know what a red dot was first. I figured this one wasn't going to bleed my savings, that and, I received great advice about it.
So, if I came off as to calling you an AR SNOB, you can see why. My apologies go out to you my AR friend.
Ok, now let's get this post back on track. I am going to mount my new toy very soon. When I do I will give an update on my results of how it worked. I will try to take pics of the targets and write on them what each group was and how I fixed/shot the next grouping.

 

[Disabled1]

I know nothing about this particular sight but I do know that companies make unbranded versions of their products and sell them at a greatly reduced price. I've seen it with my own eyes. I bought a winch for my ATV that was half the price of a name brand winch but the parts were identical. I had access to the name brand models and of course to the one I bought. It wasn't a $25 winch but it was way cheaper than the name brand. I've seen this with other items too. The company sells what they can with their brand on it at the higher price but they can make and sell them cheaper if they wanted so they do an unbranded version and deny they ever did it. Again I can't speak for this item but just one example that everyone might get. Isuzu made an SUV in the 1980's called the Rodeo. Honda bought a bunch of them and rebadged them. They sold their model for over $10,000 more than the identical (except for the badges) Isuzu version. It does happen. But even the Isuzu model was $20,000 or so.

I have seen it too. MODERN MARVELS! Has anyone ever watched that show? They went to ConAgra foods plant to show how their peanut butter was made. There were two lines of jars, side by side, being filled with peanut butter. At the end of the line where the jars were labeled, one jar was PETER PAN, the other jar was GREAT VALUE! Guess which brand I still buy to this day? Even though JIF is the best!

 

[Rastoff]

OK, let's assume that the Field Sport is made by Aimpoint. You said:

...the red dot was better in every aspect you can ask for in a red dot compared to the HIGH $$$ AIMPOINT!

So, what exactly is it that makes this better besides low price? It doesn't have an interchangeable base. It isn't as durable, as shown in the video you posted (water intrusion after only dipping it in a dish of water). It doesn't have the battery life and it isn't as easily adjusted. I'm curious, what makes it better? If Aimpoint can make a better optic for only 3.5% of the cost, I gotta wonder, why make the other one?

Please understand, this is not a knock on you, I just want to know about this marvelous optic you've found.


You also have to realize that when you make comments like this...

I'm sort of laughing inside at the little bit of money l spent vs some of the mega $$$ red dots l see people buying!

...it's going to make people ask questions. I'm sure you didn't intend this to be an insult, but it reads like you're calling those who bought an Aimpoint, fools. You have to expect that they, or anyone who's considered a real Aimpoint, is going to question the veracity of your comments.

There's a quote that I've learned is usually true, "The disappointment of poor quality lasts long after the elation of low price wears off." You sound very happy with your optic. That's a very good thing and I'm happy for you. Demonstrate that the quote isn't true with your optic, make us believers.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'll take a wild guess that $17.99 microdots aren't being manufactured under the watchful eye of Aimpoint . Whether his range pals were teasing him or he got the names mixed up... whatever. But an operation by the name of AimSport markets red dots in the $20 range. Maybe that was it.


Looking at the FieldSport web site red dot section you'll see familiar Chinese manufactured optics (at least the shells) that are marketed by an endless number of importers with different labels on them-- many of them on eBay with no labels in the $20 price range.

If someone has no experience with red dots and wants to get an idea of what one is like for the price of a loaded magazine, seems like a fine approach.

 

[cyphertext]

If someone has no experience with red dots and wants to get an idea of what one is like for the price of a loaded magazine, seems like a fine approach.

Agree. Nothing wrong with dipping your toes in with an inexpensive optic. If you like how a red dot works, you can always upgrade later.

 

[C J]

Agree. Nothing wrong with dipping your toes in with an inexpensive optic. If you like how a red dot works, you can always upgrade later.

Or you can acquire them like I did. Someone pawned them off on me to get rid of them most likely. I haven't found the right person to take them yet. They've been in a box for several years at least. I should just toss them but I think some kid might like one on his BB gun or something. The main problem is that you can't see anything through the ones I have. It's just like the really cheap scopes you see - the clarity isn't there. I wouldn't know if they hold zero or not. I never got that far.

 

[cyphertext]

Or you can acquire them like I did. Someone pawned them off on me to get rid of them most likely. I haven't found the right person to take them yet. They've been in a box for several years at least. I should just toss them but I think some kid might like one on his BB gun or something. The main problem is that you can't see anything through the ones I have. It's just like the really cheap scopes you see - the clarity isn't there. I wouldn't know if they hold zero or not. I never got that far.

Find a kid that is into airsoft... My son mounts my rejects on his airsoft guns.

 

[Disabled1]

OK, let's assume that the Field Sport is made by Aimpoint. You said:So, what exactly is it that makes this better besides low price? It doesn't have an interchangeable base. It isn't as durable, as shown in the video you posted (water intrusion after only dipping it in a dish of water). It doesn't have the battery life and it isn't as easily adjusted. I'm curious, what makes it better? If Aimpoint can make a better optic for only 3.5% of the cost, I gotta wonder, why make the other one?

Please understand, this is not a knock on you, I just want to know about this marvelous optic you've found.


You also have to realize that when you make comments like this......it's going to make people ask questions. I'm sure you didn't intend this to be an insult, but it reads like you're calling those who bought an Aimpoint, fools. You have to expect that they, or anyone who's considered a real Aimpoint, is going to question the veracity of your comments.

There's a quote that I've learned is usually true, "The disappointment of poor quality lasts long after the elation of low price wears off." You sound very happy with your optic. That's a very good thing and I'm happy for you. Demonstrate that the quote isn't true with your optic, make us believers.

Oh well, I guess I can just eat my PB&J sammiches with just PB and no jelly. That way I can save money to buy the NEXT level up FIELDSPORT red dot.

 

[Disabled1]

Find a kid that is into airsoft... My son mounts my rejects on his airsoft guns.

That, or send them to me.

 

[cyphertext]

That, or send them to me.

My rejects didn't hold zero...

 

[Disabled1]

My rejects didn't hold zero...

I can fix them.