WA. ST. Patrol Salary's

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A few months back the Wash. State Patrol had a campaign to hire more troopers. In the ad's, on radio, they stated that the starting pay is, (I don't remember exactly) $34,000.00. (maybe it was $36k). After 4 or 5 years the salary would be, (again, not positive but close) $54,000. Of course there are bennies and all that but man-o-can-o! How can anyone live on that salary? And for a trooper to boot? Give me a break.:mad: Just have to have respect for those guys doing the job they do for what I would consider below going rate. The starting pay should be $54k. I know, taxes and all that but so what? There are thousands of state jobs that are LOW risk and easy going and regular hours that I'm sure pay way more.

Anyway, I was shocked to hear the wages for starting pay. Don't know what they get after 10 or 20 years of service so maybe it's ok.:confused:
 
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You don't enter that line of work to get rich! You don't enter that line of work for the undying gratitude of the populace.

You enter that line of work so you can have more fun than you ever imagined in your whole life! Where else can you go to work and not have to worry about the guy in the next cubicle and his phone conversations.

The job is not for you if you need constant "attaboys". The citizens, for the most part, don't like you. The chief administrators of your agency don't like you. All you have is your buddies and the personal satisfaction of doing your job well.

No, I didn't get rich but I flew helicopters, rode motorcycles, did a little undercover work, and made a million prowler calls.

I would not have traded it for anything--especially money.
 
How can anyone live on that salary?

If you join a trade union (Sheet Metal Workers, Iron Workers, Plumbers & Steamfitters, etc.) you have to serve a four year apprenticeship to reach the top of the pay scale.

I don't know about you, but 54K plus benefits/retirement is good money to me.

They'll have more applicants than there are job openings.
 
$54000 a year is a Major's salary in my agency. Starting at $34000 and $5000 a year raise? That's called high on the hog where I come from.

I don't know how anyone can complain about that kind of money.
 
I must have been living under a rock all my life! Over a $1,000s a week? I remember a few years of back breaking labor on dirty jobs for a buck a hour and happy to get it! Hey, I started out working for the conservation dept in wisconsin for $320s a month. Lets see, that was 1962, that was $3,840s a year. Now I know money went farther back then, but still a buck wasnt worth $14s now! I just checked a inflation calculator. A buck in 1962 was like $7.65 now
 
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$54000 a year is a Major's salary in my agency. Starting at $34000 and $5000 a year raise? That's called high on the hog where I come from.

I don't know how anyone can complain about that kind of money.

Well I guess you're right but if you have a wife, two kids, a house payment, car payment and all that it seems like it would be tough, here in WA anyway. But, if you have no debt it should be fine.

Still, I would expect the troopers to get paid more than that for the job they do regardless. Just my opinion. Thanks for your service.:)
 
For a largely rural western state, the cost of living is very high here. Those pay rates are heinous, and well below the pay levels in most local agencies.

WSP is in a weird position. They start their new hires as cadets, and they may work a while in odd positions before attending the academy. All they have is a short "arming class" if they work that way. I have not seen consistent practices, and they may vary on this depending on where they are in the hiring cycle. The cadets, even if working armed, are not in the regular WSP pension system, but the same one as a non-commissioned public employees are. That training pay goes up a significant step after completing the academy. (A program which does not and never has met state standards; WSP personnel were certified by amendment of the certification statute after the Brame debacle in 2003. Until then, WSP personnel had to attend the lateral academy if they went to a real police agency, unless they were forced to do a full academy or were hired before the effective date of the certification statute.):eek: I regularly see troopers do stuff that would have them failing FTO at another agency for safety violations.

WSP has a hell of a PR program, but they are flat out abusive to their employees; most of the troopers I know have no respect for the command staff, and the agency has as far as I know the worst civil litigation rights and tort litigation history in the state. Both citizens and employees beat the hell out of them in civil court cases on a regular basis, and I have heard from credible sources data about the rate of overturned discipline (all of the last 23 arbitrations have resulted in reversal). Having read some of the rulings, and knowing a guy who was on one of the more significant cases as a board member, I am not surprised. The incompetence and dishonesty in their IA function is amazing. Clearly the dregs of the agency. There is a matter that WSP is trying to cover up now after at first trying to fire and prosecute personnel for actions that were both within policy and approved in advance; they have gone roughly 3 years past the due date for the review hearings because there are so many senior personnel exposed to serious legal problems (civil and criminal) that the Patrol is not willing to address it. (I know a prosecutor who got dragged into that mess, and his opinion of what happened there would peel the paint off a battleship.)

This is not unique. They had a case a few years back in which 2 investigators flat out lied to obtain a warrant, and it cost them millions in a settlement (they had no defense). Friends at the Patrol who got dragged into the mess wanted to arrest the two idiots at the scene, and advocated at least firing the Lt. and Capt. above them for dereliction if not prosecuting them for rendering criminal assistance to the perjury. (Said Lt. has been promoted twice since then.):mad: That agency is a lawless, dysfunctional adhocracy at best. A friend of mine, one of the most respect prosecutors in the state at the time and now a judge, used to give me a hard time about my attitude until he had an experience that left him calling me an "apologist for the WSP" in public. His contempt for their top people became so great that I told him I did not think the Chiefs were smart enough to be as corrupt as they appear, he replied that "it does take thought to have a bad mens rea."

They're also well below the top 100 in pay rate for the state of Washington, even with the boost for being assigned to certain west side counties. They have been unable to recruit adequate numbers for several years in part because of pay, and in part because the agency has such an awful reputation as a place to work. Likewise the crime lab folks, except a couple who famously have gone out in blazes of excrement, and their pay is so bad that keeping their good folks is almost impossible. The labs are staffed and equipped at maybe 1/4 of the level they should be. In spite of the PR program and the enablers in the legislature who refuse to take action to address the mess, they also can't get anywhere near the resources needed for the good folks who carry the load.

It's a shame, because most of the troopers I have met professionally are good folks, and their Sergeants are too. Above that rank, mediocre at best and some of the worst filth I have ever seen in LE uniforms have been Captains and above. It will take at least 10, probably 20 years of having outsiders fill all or nearly all of the positions above Lt. to fix that place.
 
I'd love to be making $54000 a year + benefits and retirement. I'm making substantially less than that, but the wife and live quite comfortably and manage to add a decent sum to saving every month.

None of us went into LE to get rich, that's for sure. I personally feel called to do the Lord's work, to help the good and protect those that can't help themselves. We deal with a lot of BS on a daily basis, referee adults that act like children and wade through the scum of society. However, every now and then we get to help someone that really needs it, even if sometimes its just changing a flat tire.


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A few months back the Wash. State Patrol had a campaign to hire more troopers. In the ad's, on radio, they stated that the starting pay is, (I don't remember exactly) $34,000.00. (maybe it was $36k). After 4 or 5 years the salary would be, (again, not positive but close) $54,000. Of course there are bennies and all that but man-o-can-o! How can anyone live on that salary? And for a trooper to boot? Give me a break.:mad: Just have to have respect for those guys doing the job they do for what I would consider below going rate. The starting pay should be $54k. I know, taxes and all that but so what? There are thousands of state jobs that are LOW risk and easy going and regular hours that I'm sure pay way more.

Anyway, I was shocked to hear the wages for starting pay. Don't know what they get after 10 or 20 years of service so maybe it's ok.:confused:

4 things to point out in this:
1. Pension. Their pension benefits are stupendously better than anything average in the private sector.
2. Job security. No one's getting laid off. If they do a lousy job, but are not doing anything 'Wrong' or illegal? They don't ever worry about being laid off. Not like regular folk in the private sector.
3. Benefits. Their medical coverages for them and family FAR exceed anything offered by private companies. Their perks are also the stuff one can only dream of: Guaranteed home loans. Try getting a home loan while in your first year on a new job. Not likely, especially with a 'Base Salary' of $36,000. Vacation pay that is rarely matched in the private sector. Auto loans that are darn near carte blanche.
4. Overtime. So, you see their base pay. Now, go ask to see what their actual take home pay is. You will need a Freedom of Information Act order to see this. The reason why???? If you saw how their work is structured, and just HOW much they can (And do) make in OT, you will have a heart attack.
Friend here is O.C. Sherriff. Base pay, $57,000. Takes home just a bit over $95,000. Not bad, 2nd year on the job.:rolleyes: Guaranteed house loan, 2 cars loan approval, and the boat.
OC is not as generous as some other Sherriff's are. I know several in NorCal, and they bemoan their salary- until you talk to them about salaries for non-Sherriff jobs in their area. They just moan in pain at the very thought of it.

If you want to see some LEO who really DO suffer with low status, pay and benefits???? DFG/ game wardens. They get the short straw in almost every state, bar none.:(
 
Law enforcement pay is always a well debated topic. The cost of living in my state continues to sky-rocket. Low pay is why the vast majority of guys work "off duty" jobs to supplement their pay. It generally means that you're literally working ALL the time. I know I put in a few hours working off duty to supplement what I make.

Here the highway patrol guys are pretty well paid. Take home cars and an excellent benefits/retirement package. However, keep in mind we have a highway patrol. They are not state police and for the most part are largely limited to Chapter 20 (motor vehicle) enforcement. They can arrest for crimes committed in their presence, but I would literally faint if I saw one do so. If they get into ANYTHING not Chapter 20 related, they usually call us or the closest municipal department.

That said, I still think that $54000 is a strong salary, especially if that is on top of benefits/retirement. If you add in a take home vehicle, that is probably above average in my opinion. Even for a guy with a family, you should still be okay as long as you live within your means. That's the key. I see so many guys living above their means. Unfortunately I think a lot of guys feel the "deserve" it because of the job. Those are the guys that forget at the end of the day, you're still a working joe just like everyone else out there.

I just hope one day I can look forward to making $54000 a year. Wow. Must be nice.
 
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Seriously? Hmmm....in my state these guys have the newest and best gear around. Brand new F-150s with ALL the best communications and emergency gear. They even have regular paper printers installed to print out citations.

Never seen one work past 1700....excuse me, 1630. Come to thing about it, never seen one work weekends or holidays. Maybe I'm too busy taking their arrestees to the jail for them and doing warrant service on them. I've had to do that more times than I care to remember because they "were about to get off....can you help me out?".

No, no.....they lead a charmed life here.
 
I do not know of anything in the nature of guaranteed home loans. They do have take home cars, but so does every SO in the state except one as far as I know, and they are also subject to being called out a lot in the rural areas. If you don't have the ability to garage the car and hide it, you also become a target. $54K is a more or less a living wage in places like Kittitas County, and not too bad farther east, but would be WAY off the curve in the People's Republic of the I5 Corridor. My roughly $220K house in Kittitas County would be $400K+ in King County. 10% of the employed population of Kittitas County actually works in King County but lives in Kittitas because the commute is far less expensive than the cost of living. (And not just in the border areas - I heard of a senior Bellevue officer who actually lives well east of Ellensburg. WSP has a lot of folks who spend years trying to transfer from crummy areas of the state like Seattle to desirable locations and are stuck with a house they can't use or sell as a result. The transfer wait for District 4 (Spokane area, one of the best places in the Patrol because of the living conditions and the fact that the Captain there is actually a good man for whom to work, the only one of whom I am aware) is somewhere over 5 years best case according to a friend who was trying to get there.

As for pay, last I knew, DFW pays a little better than WSP and at least with regard to computers and the like, has better equipment than the Patrol. DFW has air cards and other wireless communication for their car computers all over the state (which is meaningless in some places due to the isolation); WSP has none of which I am aware outside of the I5 area. Our DFW guys are also out or called out at all kinds of dumb hours. I am aware that the salary level looks like a lot for our friends in some other rural areas. My parents retired to rural Wheeling WVa in the early 80s, and lived darned well with ample discretionary money just on pension and SS. They were better off than when Dad was working!
 
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All the WSP Troopers on the road that I work with are top notch. Like Doug said, they have goofs in management and aren't as progressive with gear and technology as you'd think.

I once contacted a large group of tweakers in a remote area. Two fled on foot as they knew they had warrants and the rest stayed and were going berserk. Stood at the A post with my AR for about 45 mins. The first two units on scene were troopers. One grabbed his AR and camel back and I started cutting for sign. I tracked them for about a mile then the trooper say them hiding under some bushes with their shirts off. We took them down. As we marched them back a third trooper arrived and drove them to jail. I've always been grateful to WSP.

WA DFW is an awesome agency and I work with one officer a few times a week. He picks me up at the house and we go cause hate and discontent. Their chief is a former trooper so he kind of thinks he is still in WSP. It is by far the most strict state fish & game agency I've ever seen, but it is still a good deal and top notch.

The pay is great and the amount of AL they get per pay period is amazing. There is no step for that like in the FEDS, everyone at DFW gets the same, which is more than the 8 hours per period we get after 15 years.
 
Things have changed a bit since my time in the Patrol, that is for certain. The Chiefs position has always been a political appointment. The highest RCW position (meaning promoted by merit) inthe Patrol is LT., Captain and above are appointed by the Chief.

The Crime Lab was, at one time, one of the most respected in the nation. That has changed, and it is unfortunate that they have not kept up with the times and the actions of some of their leadership has called their integrity into question, actually resulting in a large number of cases being overturned or thrown out.

The guys in the field are still some of the best around, though....
 
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