Walther PP series--got any?

[max]

For you Walther guys, my LGS has a Model 8 complete with holster. PM me if you want the phone number.

 

[Darkstar888]

For you Walther guys, my LGS has a Model 8 complete with holster. PM me if you want the phone number.

Just linked this on the Walther forum. Thanks for the info. How's the condition? Price?

 

[max]

I will have to look closely at the condition and check the price.

 

[Darkstar888]

Thanks bud. I'll post any info on the Walther forum. If you can take pics or get the serial number too that would be sweet.

 

[Andyd]

.32 ACP Walther PPs are plentiful and had at some time flooded the surplus market. Over the years I had several of the early Zella-Mehlis Waffenamt proofed guns and post-war Manurhin pistols. Most of them were quite accurate and reliable but for me as a reloader retrieving the brass was a nightmare and I always sold them off again.

I also had a Manurhin PP Sport in .22 l.r. and played with grips and barrel weights but finally sold it to a more deserving collector who needed it to fill a void in his Walther collection.

I have a very early PP in .22 l.r. that was one of the earliest Walther PPs in that calibre. I got that gun in the 1980s and it enjoyed shooting this accurate and reliable fun pistol until I gave it to my son for his 21st birthday. I have dozen magazines for it and it is still in my safe.

A friend who is a toolmaker made the weight for me and I finished and rust blued it.

The Manurhin PP Sport without barrel weight, regular grips and magazine shoe and the Zella-Mehlis Walther PP with its 90° safety.

Of all the .32 ACPs that I had at the same time and compared, the Walther PP was the one that I could shoot most accurately.

 

[Frank46]

Bunch of years ago I found one of the French made Manhurin PP's in 32 acp. Had a couple boxes of Federal 32 auto and off to the range we went. Rapid fire, slow fire not one problem in feeding or ejecting and the little pistol is quite accurate as well. Definitely a little classic. Frank

 

[BB57]

Bunch of years ago I found one of the French made Manhurin PP's in 32 acp. Had a couple boxes of Federal 32 auto and off to the range we went. Rapid fire, slow fire not one problem in feeding or ejecting and the little pistol is quite accurate as well. Definitely a little classic. Frank

From 1952 when post war production of the PP restarted until 1986, all the Walther PP, PPK and PPK/S pistols were made by Manurhin (with the exception of those made by Ranger beginning in 1978).

In essence, with Germany prohibited from making small arms, except under very limited, tightly controlled or unusual circumstances (such as the French order of P.38 pistols to arm an influx of mostly former SS into the Foreign Legion), Walther out sourced manufacture of the PP series pistols to Manurhin.

Manurhin, short for Manufacture de Machines du Haut-Rhin, was located, obviously, in Haut-Rin in France which was in the Alsace-Lorraine region of France that had been annexed by Germany in 1871 and stayed that way until 1918.

Under this arrangement, Walther forged the frames and slides and then exported them to Manurhin, who made all the small parts and then did all the machining, roll marking, heat treating, polishing, and finish work on the slides and frames, as well as the final assembly, and quality assurance checks.

Beginning in 1953 the PP pistol was imported into the US by Tholson Co. and then starting in 1956 it was imported by Interarms and this continued until 1984. From 1984 to 1986 Manurhin began importing them directly to the US as well and these pistols are different from the Walther marked guns, as they will have Manurhin stamped on the left front of the slide, and also no Interarms roll mark on then right side.

After 1960 when restrictions eased, Walther started "making" PP series pistols again, but this was only a minor modification of it's arrangement with Manurhin. In essence, the only difference was that the slides were not roll marked, heat treated or finished by Manurhin, but instead shipped to Walther who then roll marked them, heat treated them via an induction current process, and then finished the slides and assembled the pistols on Manurhin finished frames with Manurhin made small parts. This qualified as "made in Germany" as under German law it was the roll mark that constituted manufacture of the pistol. This is also why you'll find post war to 1986 Walther pistols with blued slides and frames that don't quite match.

In 1986, Walther Walther ended their agreement with Manurhin and finally began making their pistols entirely on their own. And generally speaking the quality was lower.

Meanwhile, as noted above, back in the US Ranger started making the PPK and PPK/S under license in 1978 and these pistols were sold through Interarms.

 

[armorer951]

Walther PPK

While serving as a forward observer in WW2, my dad recovered this PPK. Have no idea how he was able to get it home.

Serial number 235553 K....anyone have an idea when it was produced? I think it was probably a pre-war pistol. I remember reading that quality suffered as the war went on. One resource I read indicated it was manufacured in 1939.

 

[BB57]

While serving as a forward observer in WW2, my dad recovered this PPK. Have no idea how he was able to get it home.

Serial number 235553 K....anyone have an idea when it was produced? I think it was probably a pre-war pistol. I remember reading that quality suffered as the war went on.

The serial number places it near the end of 1939, probably around November, so not strictly "pre-war", but certainly before quality started to fall off.

Generally speaking it was not hard to bring back a captured German pistol after WWII, it just involved some paperwork, and if you can find that paper it will add to the value of the pistol.

 

[kwill1911]

My father was a lineman with the 71st Infantry Division and brought this PP back from Germany.

 

[Dump1567]

Had this for awhile, but let it go last year.






Now I'm down to these two.

 

[BB57]

My father was a lineman with the 71st Infantry Division and brought this PP back from Germany.

That serial should put it around March 1938.

 

[Darkstar888]

All you guys should join up the Walther forum. Lots of great people and great info on there. All questions can be answered there.

 

[S&W629]

Have absolutely 0 interest in joining the "Walther forum"....

 

[Darkstar888]

Not you buddy. I wasn't talking to you. They have "0" interest in your kind over there anyway. I was talking to other Walther fans who posted in this thread. You came here just to reject an invitation not directed at you. Go back under the bridge with the other trolls. Lol

 

[Ed Fowler]

My 1970 vintage Interarms 22 cal ppks just jammed on me today, the extractor failed to eject the spent round! Been shooting it using CCI mini mags and it is my carry gun. This is the first jam in over 30 years, shoot it almost daily, 11 to 31 rounds, carry three magazines.

I was just thinking how dependable it had been. Can't be too critical!

 

[Andyd]

That serial should put it around March 1938.

That was a privately purchased pistol, most likely an officer's sidearm as commissioned officers bought their own handguns.

As a sidenote, I am always amazed at all the Lugers that have WaA markings that were almost exclusively taken off officers.

 

[BB57]

Not you buddy. I wasn't talking to you. They have "0" interest in your kind over there anyway. I was talking to other Walther fans who posted in this thread. You came here just to reject an invitation not directed at you. Go back under the bridge with the other trolls. Lol

I suspect many of the Walther fans here are already members of the Walther Forum.

The two forums share a lot in common, in terms of being inhabited (for the most part) by polite folks who don't rant away with radical or offensive opinions and it's also devoid of political discussion.

 

[kwill1911]

That was a privately purchased pistol, most likely an officer's sidearm as commissioned officers bought their own handguns.

As a sidenote, I am always amazed at all the Lugers that have WaA markings that were almost exclusively taken off officers.

Thanks. I'm not sure how he came to have it. He never talked about his experiences during the war.

 

[ky wonder]

I only have the one its a 67 380 and the only import markings on it is the right grip where it is marked interarms, nothing at all on the metal of the gun shows import markings just the right grip