Washington magazine ban passed and signed

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over 10 rounds. Goes into effect July 1st. WE didn't vote for it, the politicians did. Or more specifically, those representing King, Snohomish and Pierce County. The other 36 counties don't count.

Lawsuits are already being prepared. I have volunteered to be one of the plaintiffs to the 2nd Amendment Foundation's lawsuit. They are local to me as well. I haven't heard back. If I do, I'll post updates.

Brought to you by the same politicians who classified a Ruger 10/22 as an assault rifle.
 
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I have multiple packages inbound. If you have them, you can keep them. If you commit a crime using one, that's another charge tacked on.

Their goal is to go after manufacture, sale and distribution. Legal use is OK, for the time being, based on what I have read.
 
A new Supreme Court Judge , who will make sure those lawsuits do not succeed, will be there to hear the case .

We didn't vote for her either .... but Whoop ...there you are , she's in!

Can't tell you what a woman is but can decipher the Second Amend. and we ain't going to like her ruling .
 
I have multiple packages inbound. If you have them, you can keep them. If you commit a crime using one, that's another charge tacked on.

Their goal is to go after manufacture, sale and distribution. Legal use is OK, for the time being, based on what I have read.

So how can they tell when you purchased them? What is to stop someone from bring some 30 rounds magazines home after a trip out of state? Who can prove when they were acquired? "Oh these….I have had them for years".
 
Magazine size restrictions are ridiculously dumb and pointless. They do absolutely nothing to reduce violent crime, or the potential thereof.

Even during a mass shooting situation, as long as people have pockets in their clothing, they have the ability to reload the firearm quickly. The average untrained person can easily reload a magazine inside of 2-3 seconds with only a tiny bit of practice.

Even with a 6 shot revolver, for more than 20 years, it's been possible to shoot all six rounds, reload 6 more, and then shoot all six of those within 3 seconds.

Here's a video of that:

Fastest shooter EVER, Jerry Miculek- World record 8 shots in 1 second & 12 shot reload! HD - YouTube

Twelve shots inside of three seconds is 4 rounds per second. Obviously the untrained person will be slower. The point is that a revolver is just as deadly as a higher capacity semi-auto, potentially more if magnum style cartridges are used. Magazine size restrictions accomplish nothing.

Even with rifles that have a convoluted and slow reloading process, they can still be reloaded within a matter of seconds. Even a bolt action rifle, or a shotgun, can maintain a surprisingly fast average rate of fire while pulling loose rounds out of a pocket, one at a time.

Proponents of magazine bans often insist that magazine size restrictions can potentially reduce the amount of potential carnage during mass shootings. However, that logic is built on layers of misguided assumptions.

It's silly to think that the threat of a speeding ticket would prevent a bank robber from speeding while running from police. It's also silly to think that magazine size restrictions will stop people from acquiring high capacity magazines, especially if they're involved with other criminal activity, or planning something that's horrific.

Even if laws were passed that outlawed clothing with pockets, outlawed handbags, and banned anything else that could hold magazines for a gun, criminals could just hide as many magazines as they want in the wasteband of their pants.

We can get into all kinds of silly points and analogies but ultimately magazine size restrictions infringe on the core purpose of the Second Amendment, which is far outside the scope of self defense purposes.

People often highlight the fact that most self defense situations are resolved within 3 shots, however that logic falls apart when considering the possibility of multiple armed attackers. Imagine having to defend your family in your home, in the middle of the night during a home invasion, against multiple armed people, while being limited to an AR-15 or a Glock that only had 10 rounds in the magazine.

My underwear don't have pockets for spare magazines.

Magazine bans simply inhibit the ability for law abiding citizens to defend themselves during their most desperate moments, especially where more ammo is better.

However all of that is a moot point when considering the Constitutional aspect of magazine size restrictions simply because they inhibit the people's ability to form a well regulated militia. Ultimately it's that simple.

Imagine if citizens of certian other countries in the world had the ability to own firearms and form a well regulated militia like we do. Perhaps there wouldn't be as many dictators in the world. That's what the Second Amendment is there for, it's the last line of defense for for freedom and democracy. Magazine size restrictions are detrimental.

It doesn't take a Constitutional expert to understand how important the Second Amendment is to maintaining freedom and democracy over the long term. In this country, the First Amendment is the first line of defense and the Second Amendment is the last line of defense. It's critical for the people to maintain widespread ownership of effective weapons, including magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.

Imagine citizens with semi-auto weapons having to defend themselves against an oppressive government who would obviously be using fully automatic weapons. Now imagine the citizens doing that and also being restricted to 10 round magazines.

How far is the Supreme Court going to let this go before ending these kinds of ridiculous and flagrant violations of our Constitutional Rights?
 
Do you know how fast you could take out a crowd of people with a 10/22? It's no AR, but but if the US were invaded, I wouldn't feel bad about having to use one.

Are there any other states that have successfully argued against these mag bans? Doesn't Heller establish a right to common arms, which directly means 17rnd glocks and 30rnd AR?

California has an unconstitutional system where violating your rights is okay if the state has enough interest in doing so. Does washington have that same legal precedence? Courts love ruling on precedence, so it's worth legal consideration
 
So how can they tell when you purchased them? What is to stop someone from bring some 30 rounds magazines home after a trip out of state? Who can prove when they were acquired? "Oh these….I have had them for years".

That's a really good question. Magazines don't have dates of mfr. on them. I'm not an attorney but I always thought it was up to the prosecutor to prove the charge. Without proof it's just a waste of everyone's time and tax dollars.

My guess is the law was passed to stop the sale and transfer in this state. It's going to be interesting how a person might be able to legally transfer something like an M1 carbine that has a 15 rd mag as std since 1944.

I suppose a dealer could buy those rifles but then what's he going to do with it? Can't sell it here.

I'm looking at the ever tightening noose and wondering what I need to do to stay legal. They aren't making it any easier.
 
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I just purchased a bunch of 10 rd. mags for my Mini-14. I'll probably keep the 20 rd mags because I have proof that I purchased those 6 months ago. Proving me wrong would be difficult at best. No worries there.

The difficult decision I'm having is my WWII carbine collection. I'm probably going to sell those because the mags won't be sellable after July 1. I have a bunch of those, all built during WW2 and now they're restricted. The new law doesn't address relics like magazines built 75 years ago and are part of the history of the relic firearm.

The legislature didn't put a lot of thought into this one. But nothing surprises me these days. I can live without it but that really isn't the point. To me it's like saying a revolver that can hold 7 is verboten.

What restriction is next? 20, 15, 10, 6? It's just a number that ends up making criminals out of law abiding citizens.
 
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A new Supreme Court Judge , who will make sure those lawsuits do not succeed, will be there to hear the case .

We didn't vote for her either .... but Whoop ...there you are , she's in!

Can't tell you what a woman is but can decipher the Second Amend. and we ain't going to like her ruling .

She'll make no difference. Breyer out, Breyer replacement in.
 
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