We have a choice to make if we want to keep our guns

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Reading through this thread has really saddened me. I can see some of us have no idea what the 2nd was written for and some of us are willing to concede rights that our forebearers have died for. It's exactly what the antis want. To fracture us where we say one gun is bad and another is ok because its the right color or it doesn't have scary looking parts on it. Does anyone really believe it will stop with the banning of military looking rifles. It will progress to any semi auto then pumps and levers and then bolts.
A person whose gun was stolen is no more responsible for a crime committed with that gun than a person whose car was stolen and used in a crime or whose perscription drugs were stolen and sold. You are blaming someone other than the perpetrator.
I am not convinced that we should concede anything. This is the time to stand united. Some sound as though they are ready to tuck tail and run. I will be calm and state facts in all my dealings with the anti gunners but I will not negotiate away my rights as a free man.

Len
 
Boys,

Do any of you remember hearing of a ban on Boeing 737s after they flew them into the twin towers? I don't . Security at airports was increased. We need security at schools not safes at home.
 
We, as gun owners, need to concede to some new law that will secure our 2nd amendment rights (and our guns) or we can expect the government to dictate to us what we are going to have to do.....and that could be a ban on some, if not all guns.


NO WE DO NOT!!!!! We CANNOT gain by losing!!! We CANNOT "secure our 2nd Amendment Rights" by giving them up!!! "Maybe we can give them this, so we can save what's left."

Egad.

Do you REALLY think they will stop with requiring a gun safe??? (or a 10 round magazine restriction, or bans on guns with the shoulder thing that goes up...)

Further, should the taxpayer be forced to provide us all with gun safes? I mean, some of us cannot afford one. And, then who is going to enforce the gun safe law? Will there be random home inspections? Gotta make sure your guns are locked up safe and sound.
 
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who is going to enforce the gun safe law? Will there be random home inspections? Gotta make sure your guns are locked up safe and sound.

Quite obviously, there will be surprise inspections in the middle of the night. Either by someone to make sure your safe is still closed and locked or by someone who wants to rob you. Either way wave bubbyes to your fourth amendment.
 
....as you wish:

http://www.jhsph.edu/research/cente...y-and-research/publications/guns_theft_fs.pdf


“How Many Guns Are Stolen Each Year Statistics” | Extrano's Alley, a gun blog

How many guns are stolen each year? | ChaCha

How 232,400 Guns Are Stolen Each Year | American Criminal Justice

Some estimates are higher (600,000) and some are lower (235,000), not sure how they are calculated....but does it really make any difference? The fact that guns are stolen at an alarming rate and mostly used to commit other crimes (and sometimes to accidentally kill a brother or sister) should be enough to encourage the staunchest gun rights advocate to buy a safe to secure and protect their investments, documents, jewelry, cameras, cash, gold...etc...etc...etc.....from theft and fire.



My question is what do you want more: a 2nd amendment intact without restrictions to the type of firearms....or limits, and the possible outright ban, on civilian ownership of guns?

We all know the liberals want the latter and are fighting hard to get it.....what are you willing to do to cut them off at the pass?

I contend that doing nothing is inviting laws that none of us will be willing to obey.

ALL are guesses, at best. I want the 2nd A just as it is, and INTERPRETED as such. Wayne Lapierre just laid out the vision, I agree TOTALLY. Your views are quite strange for someone living in Arizona, I'm sure you're in the overwhelming minority. I have a large safe, but I don't feel the need to mandate everyone have one.

So what are the anti's giving up?
 
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Quite obviously, there will be surprise inspections in the middle of the night. Either by someone to make sure your safe is still closed and locked or by someone who wants to rob you. Either way wave bubbyes to your fourth amendment.

The 4th Amendment is already practically null and void. EVERYTHING we do and say on the internet/email is monitored. Cell phone calls are monitored. Backscatter XRay technology has been introduced, and government goons can ride around in a van and literally see inside your house. Warrant? We don't need no stinking warrant!
 
If someone steals your car and gets in a fatal accident under this premise
it's your fault!

Requiring a safe wouldn't be enough - next you would need to "allow" LEO to check to see that the gun was kept as per law.

Wasn't this already stuck down - that you could only have a firearm if it was incapable of being used? DC or somewhere similar

We need to look at the alternatives in depth - not jump to "easy" or quick solutions - that is why the antis are pushing hard for a law now
 
Dr. Karl Jung said that neurosis could be exemplified by creating a solution which resulted in a condition worse than the original problem. That sort of behavior usually occurs during panic, trauma, or extreme tension.
Jung saw collective neuroses in politics: "Our world is, so to speak, dissociated like a neurotic" (Jung, 1964:85).
In other words, the kid was nuts, and the solution presented is nuts too.
 
My $0.02 on this:

I believe that there should be some form of lock between a firearm and an unauthorized user. This could be a trigger lock, safe, lock on a door, lock on a house, etc. The difference is that I wouldn't mandate this by law, I would suggest it as a common sense measure.

I think it's important to keep in mind that the anti-gunners aren't using logic: It's all about emotion and feel-good responses. Obama wants to "do something" about the recent spree shootings (CO, VA, CT, etc.). They don't seem to care about the potential long-term consequences of their proposals.

As I posted in my letter to my political representatives, I believe that placing restrictions on law-abiding citizens is akin to a shepherd who reasons that if wolves didn’t have teeth that they couldn’t eat his sheep. As he cannot convince the wolves to comply with this request, he reasons that dogs are also members of the canine family, so he pulls the teeth of his sheepdog. The sheepdog no longer poses a threat to the wolf, so the predation of the wolf increases.

As to conceding to the anti-gunners that we'll promise to keep our guns in safes, I honestly believe this is a waste of time. Furthermore, I believe this sort of misguided attempt to placate the anti-gunners could have detrimental effects: Doesn't this "concession" also imply that we recognize that we've been irresponsible up until this point and that we should have had safes all along? Why give your enemy a club to beat you over the head with?

I worked in the mental health field for a while. I have about 18 years of experience compressed into 14 years of mental health work, as I worked full-time and part-time jobs concurrently, all but the last three years were direct patient care positions. What I can attest from personal experience is I never saw a psych patient who was so out of their head crazy that they didn't recognize and respond to a threat to their personal safety.

My favorite example was when I was working in a small County unit. We had a guy who was about 6' 2", 235lb bodybuilder type who was extremely agitated and yelling that he was going to kill everyone on the unit. At that same time, we had an absolutely enormous man who must have been at least 6' 8" and well over 400lbs. Seeing the agitated man, he walked over, put his hand on the angry man's shoulder, bent down to look him in the eye and calmly said "I think you had better calm down now."

No psychiatric medication ever worked faster. The angry guy immediately found his happy place and sat down quietly.

My point in relating this story is that the solution to end these shootings is to make it very clear that there are no "gun free" zones anymore. With the knowledge that there aren't places with a bunch of helpless people for them to victimize, these cowardly *******s are going to think twice. Shooting a bunch of elementary school kids is one thing, but facing down another man who has a gun and knows how to use it is something else entirely.

Concessions? We don't need no stinkin' concessions.
 
NO WE DO NOT!!!!! We CANNOT gain by losing!!! We CANNOT "secure our 2nd Amendment Rights" by giving them up!!!


So, exactly where do you get to 'giving up our 2nd amendment' from ANYTHING I've stated? That is just ridiculous!!

Please tell me how we are LOSING if we are securing our weapons from those that would either steal or confiscate them?

We are NOT giving up anything, we are in fact making sure our weapons STAY our weapons....and not someone elses through theft.....or confiscation by a government that chooses to be parental by trying to protect us from ourselves.

Man, I can't believe how asinine some of the commentary is, you'd think the wolves were at the front door.....oh wait, they are... only some of you are grabbing another beer and heading for the couch.

So be it, do what ever you like.....but when they do make a new law restricting our gun rights to lever action .22s and single shot shot guns you'll look back at this thread and you'll ask yourself....What the hell happened?....and the answer will be that Joe Biden and Diane Feinstein acted while you got drunk.
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My $0.02 on this:

I believe that there should be some form of lock between a firearm and an unauthorized user. This could be a trigger lock, safe, lock on a door, lock on a house, etc. The difference is that I wouldn't mandate this by law, I would suggest it as a common sense measure.

Common sense? ....in case you haven't read some of the responses here there is a serious shortage of common sense when people think that a closet is somehow a secure place to store their weapons. :eek:
 
I sold all of my guns so l could buy a safe. Now l can lock up my bats and knives! :eek: ...or is it knifes?

Blessings,
Hog
 
Don't forget to lock up your slingshot and tactical tomahawk!
 
I don't get how people can believe the goverment will stop at one law or ban just one more type of gun. The government will just keep encroaching on our gun rights until all guns are banned. The only compromise the antis are after is exploiting a tragedy to push their goals on everyone. Knee jerk reactions almost always end baddly. Lets not feed into the mass antigun hysteria caused by this tragedy and push some mentally unstable politician over the edge any further then they already are.
 
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Common sense? ....in case you haven't read some of the responses here there is a serious shortage of common sense when people think that a closet is somehow a secure place to store their weapons. :eek:

Just curious... Any suggestions on how the average firearm owner can afford a good quality safe with a reasonable UL burglary rating? Some of us are working class and living hand to mouth supporting our families. Or do you believe that firearm ownership is something only the wealthy should enjoy?

I broke my promise. Oh well. :D
 
Allowing an unstable person or criminal to have access to one's firearms is a violation of one of the fundamental rules of firearm safety.

That's one reason why I'm changing careers to deliver basic firearm safety and operation.

Think back on the instances where a minor child or criminal has gained access to an individual's firearms and the trouble it's caused for people like you and me.
 
Allowing an unstable person or criminal to have access to one's firearms is a violation of one of the fundamental rules of firearm safety.

Think back on the instances where a minor child or criminal has gained access to an individual's firearms and the trouble it's caused for people like you and me.

That's why all of my firearms not under my immediate control are either kept in a locked container or secured with a cable or trigger lock, and kept in an "inconvenient" place (my lifestyle is such that I don't feel a need to keep a longarm readily accessible 24/7). If a burglar wants them that badly, they're not going to be uncovered easily and they're not going to be immediately usable after they're stolen.

I also made it clear to my stepston that he is NOT, under any circumstances, to touch any firearm without our knowledge or consent. I explained that if he wants to look at them, he's welcome to ask but that it will be supervised by his mother or myself.

Just because I can't afford a safe doesn't mean I'm criminally negligent, and I'll never stop trying to drive that point home. Of course, if anyone wants to donate to the "Help CoMF Buy a Graffunder Fund," then by all means send some money my way. Just a word of warning... They don't come cheap. :D
 
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