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To Buffalohunter60
I respect your determination and I value your opinion. But let me share my view. The guys you had to deal with in Nam were fighting civil war and foreign aggression. In both cases the enemy was clearly defined. You, on another side, would have to fight democratically elected government of your own country which can be labeled as a treason. Yes, infringement of constitutional rights should be considered a treason, but our nation would wait for Supreme Court to call it that. Another thing, your enemy in Nam had but life to loose, and their concept of life and death as you know is quite different from the Christian one. You would have to be willing to sacrifice not only yours comfortable way of life but to endanger the lives of everyone close to you.
Never mind, you will never have to make these choices. Because 2A will stay where it is forever. Nobody needs to abolish it. The transfer and possession will be criminalized to the point when only criminals will own the guns. And criminals are not a threat to any government, they are the money source. With extended background search, DUI and pot convicts will become prohibited from owning firearms on the grounds of mental instability. After that Prozac users turn will come. (Home violence was covered 15 years ago, did not go nowhere). If non of it applies to you, than you are one-in-hundred adult male.
What would you do if the presence of 22LR cartridge in your house would make you a felon? Would you cling to it or would you dispose of it? You want to get a deer? Get a bag for a ranger too, because his laptop will show that you are a felon on the loose. You killed an armed burglar? 20 years for you on multiple counts. Do they need to confiscate? No, most of the people will turn the guns in. The rest will hide them and never talk about.
Thanks for pointing me to Oath Keepers, good to know. Hope they will get the top brass on board.
 
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Exactly why action is needed now. If the bans are passed it will be nigh impossible to have them repealed and if it gets down to physical protest, it is already a lost cause. The Confederacy was sure of their 'God Given Rights' and had lots of people ready to fight, too.
Different situtation here than the Civil War. Its never a lost cause...it will be tragic if it get down to physical defence but the loss will be on the Oath Breakers. People that are fighting for a cause they believe in will not be defeated. We have the spirit and ability and if freedom is not enough of a cause...then what is? There are different types of people....some will do what ever they are told to do. Another type will question what they are told to do....and Others that will fight for what they believe to be right and Just. Many men took an Oath to protect and Defend the Constitution, don't know if you ever served in the military or not...but the Second Amendment will be defended by many that took that Oath and will be supported by Sheriffs and Police that honor the Oath they took to defend the Constitution.
Many serving military also took the Oath and we will be defending the freedom we are guarenteeded by the Constitution. We are the bottom line and "We the People" are Home land Security and the Defenders of the Constitution even if against elected representatives that do not seem to understand the Oath they took. This Country is strong because our citizens are armed. We will not be subjects and the Government works for us....some may have forgot that ...but we also have strong support with some elected reps that understand the Oath they took. Never surrender your freedom to anyone and never roll over when someone tries to take your God given right to be free. Just think how different WW2 would have been and may not have been fought if the people of Germany hadd said "No" to Hitler and had the means to back it up. If we ever surrender our guns...we have lost our liberty teeth and thats not going to happen with many of us. Too many good men died so that I could enjoy an free life....and its up to "We the People" to pass this on to the next generation. I do not want to see a conflict in my country...and the best way to stop that is by being firm, honest, letting our elected officals know how we feel and letting them realize the cost of trying to take our freedom from us. We can not shirk from our duty to Defend our Constitution and our Freedom, I know I will not no matter how it turns out. Freedom is worth fighting for and its a battle we will win if it ever comes to it...there is no second place when it comes to our freedom, its all or nothing. Any ban passed will be unconstitutional and disregarded by Free men and there are many of us. The Government needs to know the box they will be opening...on that note I also wrote my Senator and asked why HLS ordered 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. In a time when we are trying to survive a tough budget.....thats a poor step to be taking by a government that is fast losing the Trust of the people. We all need to be asking a lot of questions.
 
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To Buffalohunter60
I respect your determination and I value your opinion. But let me share my view. The guys you had to deal with in Nam were fighting civil war and foreign aggression. In both cases the enemy was clearly defined. You, on another side, would have to fight democratically elected government of your own country which can be labeled as a treason. Yes, infringement of constitutional rights should be considered a treason, but our nation would wait for Supreme Court to call it that. Another thing, your enemy in Nam had but life to loose, and their concept of life and death as you know is quite different from the Christian one. You would have to be willing to sacrifice not only yours comfortable way of life but to endanger the lives of everyone close to you.
Never mind, you will never have to make these choices. Because 2A will stay where it is forever. Nobody needs to abolish it. The transfer and possession will be criminalized to the point when only criminals will own the guns. And criminals are not a threat to any government, they are the money source. With extended background search, DUI and pot convicts will become prohibited from owning firearms on the grounds of mental instability. After that Prozac users turn will come. (Home violence was covered 15 years ago, did not go nowhere). If non of it applies to you, than you are one-in-hundred adult male.
What would you do if the presence of 22LR cartridge in your house would make you a felon? Would you cling to it or would you dispose of it? You want to get a deer? Get a bag for a ranger too, because his laptop will show that you are a felon on the loose. You killed an armed burglar? 20 years for you on multiple counts. Do they need to confiscate? No, most of the people will turn the guns in. The rest will hide them and never talk about.
Thanks for pointing me to Oath Keepers, good to know. Hope they will get the top brass on board.

I've said it before, the second amendment can stand in place but they can make it too difficult/expensive to own firearms. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum. I'm not expecting anyone to take away the second amendment, but the end result will be the same.
 
I've said it before, the second amendment can stand in place but they can make it too difficult/expensive to own firearms. Maybe I'm on the wrong forum. I'm not expecting anyone to take away the second amendment, but the end result will be the same.
They can not win this battle....unless we roll over and thats not going to happen. Our representatives need to kn ow that "Not To Be Infringed" is taken seriously by most of us that support the second amendment and any unconstitutional law that is passed will be ignored. At some point we need to take a look at what can be done to elected officals that break the Oath they take. In the military...if you break an oath...its treason. I do not seee why some of them could not charged, taken to court and if convicted ....removed from office and maybe serve time for breaking an Oath they have sworn to defend. It may get them thinking about the consequences of breaking an Oath. A california Senator comes to mind...would be a good starting point. Maybe someone like the Second Ammendment Foundation could take up the challange.
 
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I'm looking into 'Oath Keepers' and the 'Second Amendment Foundation. The SAF looks very interesting to me. I'm not sure about the 'Oath Keepers', I'm not military or LEO but I did take the oath one time to do some sensitive government contracting stuff. I do like what they stand for.

I'll still be looking for ways to reach people that aren't part of the present gun-toting crowd.
 
To reach enough people, the answer is simple...JOIN THE NRA! why aren't all these millions of gun supporters members of the NRA? It is simply a dirty rotten shame that a few NRA members are "carrying" the load for the other freeloaders that are too cheap to join! You people that are not members I am ashamed of you; get off your a___ and join for God's sake!

this IS a very good way to get OUR word out.

Join, Contribute, Support the NRA!! There IS strength in numbers.
 
RW...you do not have to be prior military to join....we are all in the same boat and its our freedom we are defending. You will be welcomed and we can all take positive steps to insure that the Second Amendment and the rest of our Constitution stays intact. If people study any history...we are fighting for the freedom of all Americans ......even the gun grabbers.....if they read about what happened in cambodia, Sierra leon and quite a few other places they may realize what can happen to an unarmed society. Right now we have on ly a few criminals to deal with....with absolute power, they can all become deadly criminals and it has happended many times in history and even present history. Unarmed people are defenceless victims....the criminals will be the ones with the arms and you life means nothing to them. Read about the British rescue in Sierra Leon to get a glimps of what brutality is like. We do not need that here and our freedom is precious.
 
I have been an NRA member for 20 years off and on. I have now joined Oath Keepers. Please go to their sight and read what they are about.
 
I'm fishing around here

I'm trying to express something but I'm not coming off very well. I probably type too much.:D;) Signing up gun owners is great, but still it might not be enough. We need to reach the segment of our population who are non-gun owners that are sitting one the fence. Having a 2nd amendment advertisement in a gun magazine is like preaching to the choir. I hate to use that old saw about 'going out of the box', but in this case, it applies. We have to reach other people.
 
RW I think all any off us can do is write our elected representatives....tell them how we feel, remind them of the Oath they took and realize that first a bill has to pass the House and Senate....and you can bet its going to the Supreme court to see if it is declared unconstitutional. I have to hope the Supreme Court justices are honest men and not affected by politics because anyone can be corrupted. The bottom line is : The government works for us, the Second Amendment is very clear and easily interperted by "We the People" and "We" are the Defenders of the Constitution. As a Republic (Not a Democracy) we are protected even if the majority does not want us to bear arms. "Not to be Infringed" is a simple easy to understand statement. If all else fails...the Constitution will be defended by people that have taken the Oath and still believe in it and believe in our Constitution. We will not allow our Freedom to be taken by anyone or any Government. Freedom has never been free and many of us are willing to pay any price and fight any foe that tries to take it from us. Without our Freedom, we are subjects, slaves and sheep....that is not going to happen to the American People. Our Nation was built and defended by citizens with firearms and we will be just as well armed as any enemy we may have to face. If we ever lose our firearms...our Freedom is gone....and that is not going to happen. Too many good men have died so that you and I have the freedom we have today. The Constitution is the base we are founded on and we will not stray from it.
If it ever comes to it (and I hope it does not) we will be fighting for the Gun Grabbers Freedom also. I do not know how much history you have read....but read about Pol Pot in Canbodia and you will realize why this population must keep the ability to throw off the yoke of a brutal government so that future generations of Americans can enjoy the same freedom that you and I have.
We have the numbers to do it and we have the ability to defend the constitution....There are Oathkeepers and there are Oath breakers...do a search for Oathkeepers and see what you find. We are the last line of Defence for the Constitution and we can and will defend it against all enemies. Get involved if you want to......They can not take our freedom...we can only give it up....and I speak for myself...I never will.
 
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