What does S&W do to the Mass Complaint Shield to make the Trigger 10.5 pounds?

[kmanick]

anyone know specifically what they do to achieve this?
I have one, and had the trigger done when I first got it , but I was a new shooter and my gunsmith only brought it down to around a 7 pound break. I was ok with this but now I have other pistols with lighter triggers that i shoot much better than my shield and would love to know what they do differently to these?
I have gotten pretty comfortable with poking around the inside of my M&P's and have watched the Apex videos quite a bit, so I have no problem dropping in their Sear, but is that what I need to do?
is the trigger return spring on the Mass compliant gun heavier than the non mass version? My gunsmith polished the internals so the trigger is not gritty and has a nice crisp audible reset, but if I bring it back to him .......what is it that he will do to lighten the pull?

 

[Shield9mm]

I have no problem dropping in their Sear, but is that what I need to do?
is the trigger return spring on the Mass compliant gun heavier than the non mass version? My gunsmith polished the internals so the trigger is not gritty and has a nice crisp audible reset, but if I bring it back to him .......what is it that he will do to lighten the pull?

The apex sear lighten up the trigger pull around 2lb, In my experience less than 2lb.
The trigger return spring might be heavier on the Mass compliant, , also the striker block spring, and the sear spring.

If this is a carry gun I would get the duty carry kit, if it is a target/range gun then I would get the apex FSS kit.

Be aware of your local/state regulations cause altering all the internals will make it a non compliant gun.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Yea, for the MOST part (but not all) it has to be made with spring weight. Im not gonna get into which ones and changing it is definately on you

 

[kmanick]

there are no issues with doing trigger jobs in Mass once you own the gun so don't feel
like you have to "dance around specifics" due to legalities. gun shops here offer
installation of the Apex kits on sight, once you own it they can do it, they just
can't sell them "fixed". doing trigger jobs in Mass is probably our local
gunsmiths biggest cash cow. I have already gotten
in touch with my gunsmith, I'm bringing it down to him on Friday, I'm
just going to let him lighten it up as I don't know what he's already done
to it (besides the polishing stuff), I'm hoping he can just swap out a
spring (while I'm there ) and I can be on my way.

 

[jim46ok]

Kind of like the pillow that comes with the tag..."DO NOT REMOVE." My pillow, my tag...

 

[icemn]

I've got a shield 9 and 45c, both MA compliant with the Apex dcaek and I can't do any better than about 7 lbs on my Lyman. Everything has been polished, no grit, etc.. I've tried the so called free state trigger return spring without any improvement. I'm fine with them at 7 lbs., but for the life of me, I can't understand how some people are claiming they get 4.5 to 5.5 lbs.. I'm wondering if it might be a MA compliant trigger bar. Speed shooters shows a MA compliant trigger bar - I forget if it's for the 9 or 45, I don't think it's for the shield. Curious to see if anybody has an answer.

In the end, I'm very satisfied with where my guns are. Having started with the atrocious Ma triggers north of 10 lbs and now being at a smooth 7 lbs, it's like night and day.

I handled a shield 45 and Sd9ve for the heck of it the other day, both MA compliant and God awful.

 

[ScaryWoody]

Just for reference here is a very good step by step trigger pull guide. M&Ptriggerjob.pdf

 

[Dad_Roman]

I handled a shield 45 and Sd9ve for the heck of it the other day, both MA compliant and God awful.

Lol....the SD is gawd awful from the get-go anyways. I can only imagine a MA version.

Apex kit is just an accepted MUST HAVE for an SD.

 

[kmanick]

Do you have to smack it to get it to release? If so, it's sticky barrel syndrome. You should see some peening around the barrel hood and some on the barrel hole on the slide. A bit of file work will cure it ot send her back and let them do it.

are you in the wrong thread or what?

 

[Dad_Roman]

The apex sear lighten up the trigger pull around 2lb, In my experience less than 2lb.
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Installed one last night (In mammas). Got a good 1.5 out of it, cant wait to shoot it. Dropped from 6.5 to 5

I love the "Trigger Job" PDF that woody posted above. Going that route on my Shield9. If I dont screw anything up, then on to the 45's

....as it all relates to the Mass Compliant. (not "complaint")

 

[kmanick]

Installed one last night (In mammas). Got a good 1.5 out of it, cant wait to shoot it. Dropped from 6.5 to 5

I love the "Trigger Job" PDF that woody posted above. Going that route on my Shield9. If I dont screw anything up, then on to the 45's

....as it all relates to the Mass Compliant. (not "complaint")

No "complaint" is correct LOL!

 

[Dad_Roman]

No "complaint" is correct LOL!

Just cause your "there"

 

[GoldBuyer]

Thank you ICEMN

I just purchased 10.5 lb 9MM Shield. 4/15/17 MA compliant. Hate the trigger. Was thinking of putting in an Apex kit. Had a feeling it would be practically impossible to get these compliant guns to 5 lbs. I'm not putting one cent more into this ***. I will carry something else.

 

[Dad_Roman]

I just purchased 10.5 lb 9MM Shield. 4/15/17 MA compliant. Hate the trigger. Was thinking of putting in an Apex kit. Had a feeling it would be practically impossible to get these compliant guns to 5 lbs. I'm not putting one cent more into this ***. I will carry something else.

I dont understand? Isnt "something else" going to have a 10lb trigger too?

I just put the Apex shear in one Shield form Midway for 40 bucks and the one I took out I am slowly filing on at work to get it down where it needs to be (from the trigger job video above...Woody's post #7). The new shear is an extraordinary difference and cant wait to get the one in that Im working on

(didja catch that?....."at work")

 

[icemn]

Not necessarily. The 10 lb trigger is a S&W thing.

 

[Dad_Roman]

kewlkewl....thats on me. I thought it was a Mass. thing. thks

 

[GoldBuyer]

Not just a S&W thing, regulations promulgated by the Attorney General's office (940 CMR 16). Here is the relevant bit from those regulations:
It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun which does not contain a mechanism which effectively precludes an average five year old child from operating the handgun when it is ready to fire; such mechanisms shall include, but are not limited to: raising trigger resistance to at least a ten pound pull, altering the firing mechanism so that an average five year old child's hands are too small to operate the handgun, or requiring a series of multiple motions in order to fire the handgun.

 

[icemn]

That doesn't mean all MA compliant guns must have a 10 lb trigger. Just for example, 1911(s)', HK VP9, Sig P320, Canik, some Rugers iirc don't come with 10 lb triggers. S&W puts in 10 lb triggers in MA as a cya move. .

 

[bostoned]

Not necessarily. The 10 lb trigger is a S&W thing.

No, the 10lb trigger is a state of Massachusetts thing. All hand guns sold to citizens ( non-LEO) must have a trigger pull of 10lbs. But once purchased may be adjusted.

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[icemn]

No, the 10lb trigger is a state of Massachusetts thing. All hand guns sold to citizens ( non-LEO) must have a trigger pull of 10lbs. But once purchased may be adjusted.

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Then please explain to me why you can walk into any MA gun shop today and buy the guns I cited above and they do not have 10 lb triggers.

 

[Roadtrip]

I just purchased 10.5 lb 9MM Shield. 4/15/17 MA compliant. Hate the trigger. Was thinking of putting in an Apex kit. Had a feeling it would be practically impossible to get these compliant guns to 5 lbs. I'm not putting one cent more into this ***. I will carry something else.

I have a MA compliant Shield with the 10lb trigger. I installed an Apex kit. That brought the pull weight down to 6lbs. I installed a free-state S&W trigger spring in place of the Apex trigger spring, and that brought it down to right at 5lbs. I actually put the Apex spring back in for a 6lb pull, as personally, I felt it better for a CC gun. Everything "MA" goes away with the Apex Duty/Carry Kit. Highly recommended.

 

[Mals9]

Can an individual purchase a Shield sear or is it a gunsmith only item?

Mals

 

[WR Moore]

After market sears are available. S&W will only sell sears to LE armorers who've graduated from S&W training. You can buy a complete sear block.

Our lead armorer said they had to take the sear block apart in training. Getting the sear back in was so much fun, he said it was much easier/cheaper to replace the whole block.

 

[Ksimons]

I have a MA compliant Shield with the 10lb trigger. I installed an Apex kit. That brought the pull weight down to 6lbs. I installed a free-state S&W trigger spring in place of the Apex trigger spring, and that brought it down to right at 5lbs. I actually put the Apex spring back in for a 6lb pull, as personally, I felt it better for a CC gun. Everything "MA" goes away with the Apex Duty/Carry Kit. Highly recommended.

I did the same with my shield and 40 FS and could not be happier with the 6 lbs pull. 5 seemed a little light for carry.

And hand gun sold (NEW) in MA has to be MA compliant even if the dealer is doing a transfer from an out of state dealer. Once you own it you can do what you want to it. There are firearms the state looks at differently, AR & AKs

 

[JSR III]

(2) It shall be an unfair or deceptive practice for a handgun-purveyor to transfer or offer to
transfer to any customer located within the Commonwealth any handgun which does not contain a mechanism which effectively precludes an average five year old child from operating the
handgun when it is ready to fire; such mechanisms shall include, but are not limited to: raising
trigger resistance to at least a ten pound pull, altering the firing mechanism so that an average
five year old child's hands are too small to operate the handgun, or requiring a series of multiple
motions in order to fire the handgun.

The 10 pound trigger pull requirement is not an absolute if one of the other situations exist. Short of those, the firearm MUST have a 10 lb trigger pull or greater.

You could make the gun barrel 20 inches long and perhaps if a child could not hold the weight it would qualify, however, the easiest way to comply with the law is the 10 lb trigger pull.

 

[texasjohnboy]

Holy moly, I'm glad I live in Texas. I feel for you guys up north...