What if they don't follow your commands?

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I don't think those numbers are accurate. With a pistol at low ready I think it would be considerably faster than 1 second - and my grip is 100%, which is not guaranteed on the draw.

If tcops show up, but the gun down on the shelf that is right in front of you.

I,ve run seasoned shooters thru drills, that is about right. Yes you can make a shot from low ready in 1sec, but hand on gun in holster, grip is solid, not unlike one hand low ready. Time based on distance of course. That would be so called typ 7y distance.
 
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Any skilled pistol shooter can go from concealed, zero to 1st shot in about 1.5 sec. Hand on gun, shortens this to under 1sec,...
The problem is that most who carry aren't skilled shooters. When I say most, I mean 99.9%. Most can't get their gun out in under 1.5 seconds, let alone make an aimed shot in a vital spot.

I don't think those numbers are accurate. With a pistol at low ready I think it would be considerably faster than 1 second...
Considerably faster than 1 second? How much is considerably? Do you think you can put a round on target in .8 seconds while starting from the ready? Come on out to the range. I'll bring my timer. Let's test that.
 
That would be so called typ 7y distance.
Definitely not at 7 yards. My best from concealment at 7 yards was 2.1 seconds for a controlled pair. That means the first shot was about 1.8-1.9 seconds. But that's after some practice and certainly not cold.

When I test myself on the first pair at the range, I'm usually ~2.5-2.7 seconds for a controlled pair in the thoracic cavity at 7 yards while starting from concealment. My goal is to be 2.4 seconds for those shots, but I'm not as young as I used to be.
 
.8 seconds, 1 second, 1.5 seconds, 2.5 seconds, 2.8 seconds, heck even 5 SECONDS, should make about ZERO difference if you're drawing down on an unsuspecting stick up man.

Unless you're going to do something to get his attention first, you should be able to get the drop on him and a shot off before he even knows you're doing it.

Unless we're now talking about going up against him man-a-mano like the old wild west shootouts in the movies. :D
 
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.8 seconds, 1 second, 1.5 seconds, 2.5 seconds, 2.8 seconds, heck even 5 SECONDS, should make about ZERO difference if you're drawing down on an unsuspecting stick up man.

Unless you're going to do something to get his attention first, you should be able to get the drop on him and a shot off before he even knows you're doing it.

Unless we're now talking about going up against him man-a-mano like the old wild west shootouts in the movies. :D

This is presuming that your reason for escalating isn't the perp suddenly taking interest in you.
 
I don't think those numbers are accurate. With a pistol at low ready I think it would be considerably faster than 1 second - and my grip is 100%, which is not guaranteed on the draw.

If the cops show up, put the gun down on the shelf that is right in front of you.

The only practical way to demonstrate this sort of thing to someone (including yourself) is to have someone put you on the clock and react to their signal.

Even expecting the sounding of the signal can often reveal that people aren't as fast as they like to think, and the reason is often simple.

Reaction time at both the physical and mental levels.

Want to really throw someone off? Introduce some sound they aren't expecting (waiting for the audible signal). Or, create the scenario drill where they actually have to react to a physical cue. This can be done by even the simple use of turning targets.

I've watched cops expectantly awaiting the expected turning of their threat target to occur, and watched them lose almost a full second (or more) before they were able to bring their low-ready weapons up and make an accurate first shot (or 2, or 3, or more). Some were seemingly in disbelief when the timed targets turned away from them before they were able to compete their required shots, and didn't realize that a certain (maximum) time had actually passed before they were done doing what they'd been required to do.

People can easily mistake the amount of time taken up when they're caught inside the OODA Loop. Even being ready to expect the Observe part can catch people by surprise as it happens. Just being actively expecting what's about to occur (you think) may not make the Orient part of the loop any easier to deal with and get past, let alone get through the Decide and Act part of things in the successful manner you hope happens.

Then, while your attention is virtually fully riveted on what you think is about to happen ... what you're waiting to happen ... then along comes something totally unexpected in the way of something else audible or physical, and the "startle response" puts you totally off your game.

On a carefully structured and controlled training range, that might be a loud & shrill whistle instead of the expected buzzer, or a sudden loudly yelled command or distracting phrase, shouted from behind you right next to your head. And then, while you;re trying to process what the hell that means, if anything, the actual signal goes off, and your reaction time is stuck in molasses time.

The real world can be even less forgiving and predictable. Unfortunately, the consequences are still very, very real, as is the responsibility for our actions.

Discovering our personal limitations is never easy, fun or pretty. Properly conducted and safely supervised training can certainly help, though. Better to know our limitations before running right up against them at the worst time(s), and in the worst possible way, in real life.
 
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The only practical way to demonstrate this sort of thing to someone (including yourself) is to have someone put you on the clock and react to their signal.

Even expecting the sounding of the signal can often reveal that people aren't as fast as they like to think, and the reason is often simple.

Reaction time at both the physical and mental levels.

Want to really throw someone off? Introduce some sound they aren't expecting (waiting for the audible signal). Or, create the scenario drill where they actually have to react to a physical cue. This can be done by even the simple using of turning targets.

I've watched cops expectantly awaiting the expected turning of their threat target to occur, and watched them lose almost a full second (or more) before they were able to bring their low-ready weapons up and make an accurate first shot (or 2, or 3, or more). Some were seemingly in disbelief when the timed targets turned away from them before they were able to compete their required shots, and didn't realize that a certain (maximum) time had actually passed before they were done doing what they'd been required to do.

People can easily mistake the amount of time taken up when they're caught inside the OODA Loop. Even being ready to expect the Observe part can catch people by surprise as it happens. Just being actively expecting what's about to occur (you think) may not make the Orient part of the loop any easier to deal with and get past, let alone get through the Decide and Act part of things in the successful manner you hope happens.

Then, while your attention is virtually fully riveted on what you think is about to happen ... what you're waiting to happen ... then along comes something totally unexpected in the way of something else audible or physical, and the "startle response" puts you totally off your game.

On a carefully structured and controlled training range, that might be a loud & shrill whistle instead of the expected buzzer, or a sudden loudly yelled command or distracting phrase, shouted from behind you right next to your head. And then, while you;re trying to process what the hell that means, if anything, the actual signal goes off, and your reaction time is stuck in molasses time.

The real world can be even less forgiving and predictable. Unfortunately, the consequences are still very, very real, as is the responsibility for our actions.

Discovering our personal limitations is never easy, fun or pretty. Properly conducted and safely supervised training can certainly help, though. Better to know our limitations before running right up against them at the worst time(s), and in the worst possible way, in real life.
I agree with you, which is why I think it is foolish to add the extra time necessary to also draw the gun. Everything takes longer when things go poorly.



Not to throw too many wrinkles into the basic scenario, but I do not want to donate a handgun to a criminal because I was waiting around during a robbery with my gun in a holster above my wallet.
 
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