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That is your RIGHT!!!! Check your guns at the door, please. But of course the 2nd applies to your house, but only for you.
What should be required to get CHP?
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That is your RIGHT!!!! Check your guns at the door, please. But of course the 2nd applies to your house, but only for you.
Lots of good give and take here, like a Leonard-Hagler championship fight. 
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While I understand the position people take regarding the right to possess firearms (the 2nd Amendment which I support), I don't feel very comfortable being in the presence of people who are armed and have no idea what they are doing. I've met these people while deer hunting (one person asked me where the safety was on his rifle, another didn't know how to unload his weapon). I've also been in homes where the owner proudly showed me a pistol they bought for protection. How often did they shoot? Never. Just loaded it and put it away. I don't know what the solution is, I just feel that anyone who is going to cc a deadly weapon in public has a responsibility to all of us to learn how to do so responsibly.
Yes, he does, and we have the responsibility to punish him if he doesn't. But not preemptively.
The writers of the 2nd knew all this. They knew there would be crime; they knew there would be accidents. They also knew that the trade-off was worth it, as they'd seen what happens to unarmed people in other countries and didn't want that to ever happen here.
If a person is not comfortable with a free, armed society, even with all the warts and blemishes that come with it, maybe this isn't the right country for them. There are plenty of others which don't allow the right to bear arms. Security or liberty....pick one.
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Steve, you can't unbreed stupidity. Some people even after extensive firearms instruction are still dangerous. But they would be just as dangerous with a knife, slingshot or a rock.
I'd like to know myself. Good question. Who determines that?
AFAIK, 47 States "infringe" on the 2nd A. Vermont, Alaska and Arizona being the exceptions. And in the purest sense, even they do.
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Many of us, myself included were shooting firearms at that age and some at an even younger age, all under adult supervision of course. And if you look back at our history, children at the age of 13 and up fought in the revolutionary and civil wars. But should a 9 year old be allowed access to firearms? I'd guess that would be the parents decision and on the child. Look at youtube sometime and search for the young lady, of 10 to 12 who can field strip and reassemble an AR faster than most guys.
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I concur, an 18 year old is old enough to die for his country he should be able to purchase and own firearms.
Besides the right to vote at 18, what rights would be denied to those younger than 18? The 4th, the 6th?
Is a 14yo subject to unwarranted searches and seizures? He/she is not 18 yet? Just askin'.
Is a 14yo subject to unwarranted searches and seizures? He/she is not 18 yet? Just askin'.
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if we are talking about age of full rights how about the 21 drinking age? we need to go back to 18. MADD is about as relentless in their efforts as the "brady bunch". fresh off their victory after the 21 return they continued to push for a drinking age of 25. how much clearer could they have been of their intentions?
on a related topic I recently heard a guy on the radio that had researched and found a direct correlation between young people accepting responsibility and acting more like adults at younger ages when they were given responsibility and were held accountable for the decisions they made. of course all of us know this but we constantly have to prove this to those who want to take away our freedoms.
with our "it's never my fault" society the freedom robbers have a ready made ally in their efforts to enslave us all.
on a related topic I recently heard a guy on the radio that had researched and found a direct correlation between young people accepting responsibility and acting more like adults at younger ages when they were given responsibility and were held accountable for the decisions they made. of course all of us know this but we constantly have to prove this to those who want to take away our freedoms.
with our "it's never my fault" society the freedom robbers have a ready made ally in their efforts to enslave us all.
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I'll raise a glass of single malt to lowering the drinking age to 18. Like I said, if a man is of legal age to die for his country he should be able to purchase both alcohol and firearms.
So besides the 2nd and 26th, at what age do the other rights kick in? Besides the 26th I see no mention of age requirements.
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Great find, thanks for sharing.
In the Constitution
So I guess the Constitution only applies to those 18 yo or older, or whatever age forum members deem
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As to the drinking age requirement, at 21 people can purchase and consume alcohol legally. Before that, no alcohol at all. And if a parent wants to serve alcohol to a 20 year old in their own home, that's a no-no. Where do they learn the affects of alcohol and responsible drinking? We have junior operators licenses for motor vehicles, junior hunting programs where kids are mentored with adults to learn safe firearms handling. And the excuse MADD uses regarding 18 year olds, that their brains haven't matured enough for the responsible use of alcohol? Does that mean they are not responsible enough to enlist in the service, or get married, buy a home, etc. If I had know this when I joined the Army, at age 19, I could have gone to the First Sergeant during my first week of basic and told him I was going home, that I'm not mature enough the join. Why didn't these folks tell me that years ago?
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well, I believe the right to life trumps the right to own a weapon without demonstrating a basic understanding of them. I have seen WAY too many absolute idiots wielding weapons with NO idea how they function. Personally, I would like all fifty states to grant CCW permits to those who want one. They should be honored in all other states, BUT to obtain one, you should have to take a quick course (or be a military veteran), in firearms safety, as well as basic marksmanship. When some idiot lets a round go that kills a kid in the next apartment because he didn't feel like reading the manual, I could care less about some interpretation of the 2A. And you would feel the same if it was your loved one, as well.
By the way, those who love to chant "what part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand", they just sound ignorant. Since the 2A doesn't specify, I guess we should allow anyone who can afford one to walk around with a LAW rocket, right?
By the way, those who love to chant "what part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand", they just sound ignorant. Since the 2A doesn't specify, I guess we should allow anyone who can afford one to walk around with a LAW rocket, right?
Well, it's nice to see that you've bought into the do-gooder philosophy, hook, line and sinker.
But who gets to decide who's "fit" to have a gun? You?
Since you "couldn't care less about some interpretation of the 2A", are there any other amendments, i.e., rights, which you would like to give away while you're at it?
You are correct in that the 2nd mentions nothing about LAW rockets. But it seems to me like the Revolutionary War was fought with cannons...on both sides. Where did the Revolutionary Army get theirs and what granted ordinary people the right to have such things? Seems like old King George really slipped up on that one, eh? A mistake this government won't repeat, as long as it can convince its subjects that they don't need or have any right to own military-equivalent weapons.
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