What some clueful instructors carry as their defensive firearm

[dougb1946]

They teach classes, tell each other they are great, and post videos about how great they are. Then people who pay for their classes also tell them they are great.

So many jokes available, so many days suspension possible.

 

[Arik]

It's been my understanding that PPD issues the G19, not the G17.

Just curious when that changed?

It's always been the 17. Since 1989/90. In the last few years officers have been allowed to carry their own Glocks in other calibers provided they qualified



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[Smoke]

He can't seem to make up his mind if he likes Glock or not


[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7m7_mYDTTY[/ame]

 

[eb07]

I always love self defense instructors who do not take the time to care for their most important weapon, their body.

 

[Protected One]

He can't seem to make up his mind if he likes Glock or not


Glock “Perfection”? You Keep Using That Word… | Active Self Protection Extra - YouTube

Having viewed that video some time ago, I seem to recall him addressing their *motto* of "Glock Perfection". He then proceeded to point out several issues that make glocks anything but perfect, and I agree with him.

That is a separate issue entirely from whether he "likes them" or not. It is possible to like something, and at the same time have criticisms of it.

I always love self defense instructors who do not take the time to care for their most important weapon, their body.

I presume you are talking about John. It would be a mistake to think that his appearance is indicative of his physical condition. In many cases that is true...but not always. I believe he is one of the exceptions, just as I, at 6'-2" and a trim 195 pounds was presumed by most to be fit 18 months ago...before having a heart attack during Krav Maga Class. And no, I wasn't a beginner overexerting myself.

 

[686-380]

Holy cow man! I hope you're much better now.

Having viewed that video some time ago, I seem to recall him addressing their *motto* of "Glock Perfection". He then proceeded to point out several issues that make glocks anything but perfect, and I agree with him.

That is a separate issue entirely from whether he "likes them" or not. It is possible to like something, and at the same time have criticisms of it.




I presume you are talking about John. It would be a mistake to think that his appearance is indicative of his physical condition. In many cases that is true...but not always. I believe he is one of the exceptions, just as I, at 6'-2" and a trim 195 pounds was presumed by most to be fit 18 months ago...before having a heart attack during Krav Maga Class. And no, I wasn't a beginner overexerting myself.

Unfortunately, it's likely that "John" doesn't generally partake in fitness endeavors. I think that between being a pastor and his YouTube channel, he's too busy.

My perception is that most of us, on all of these forums, are guilty. There are bound to be many who ARE/were active, such as yourself.

Me, I'm a bit over weight but relatively fit.

I think that Glocks work for many people. They just aren't my preference.

 

[Protected One]

Unfortunately, it's likely that "John" doesn't generally partake in fitness endeavors. I think that between being a pastor and his YouTube channel, he's too busy.

My perception is that most of us, on all of these forums, are guilty. There are bound to be many who ARE/were active, such as yourself.

Me, I'm a bit over weight but relatively fit.

I think that Glocks work for many people. They just aren't my preference.

Thanks for the well wishes. Three stents installed and now the doctor tell me I'm "Golden'.
As to John, if you look at his videos you will see him doing close quarter training with his instructor. He is wearing a black belt in the videos and they are fairly recent (if I recall correctly).
You're right though...he must be a very busy man.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Glocks are easy so huge numbers of shooters switched to them. I can shoot a Glock as well as any other handgun I have ever shot and I'm pretty good with handguns. I am a Texas Level III Firearms Instructor and I just gave up my concealed carry instructor's certificate because I couldn't be bothered going to the training session near Austin. Not important except to establish that I admit to a modicum of skill and knowledge.

My first problem with Glocks is that they are not metal. This is a very personal issue. I have no problem with polymer rifle stocks but I have a very low tolerance for polymer handguns. I won't say that I don't have any but, offhand, the only ones that I can think of are all .22s and all Walthers. So, no M&Ps, either. Call me a Luddite in that respect.

My second problem with Glocks is that tricky little trigger. I understand the safety concept - alleged - but my preference for safety is my brain and a long double action trigger press for the first shot. Pretty hard to have an accident; not nearly as hard with a Glock. So, no M&Ps, either. Call me a Luddite in that respect.

If I was a novice shooter and did not own a busload of top notch handguns for fun and personal defense I suppose I could be taught from the outset to love the late 20th Century and 21st Century's novel new handgun systems. I can certainly use the new phones and computers but I choose to remain in the mid-20th century with my fighting handguns.

I have no issue with striker fired handguns. They have been around a very long time. DAO or striker fired work for me as long as the trigger is reasonably heavy. TDA is my preference is pistols; double action revolvers are my preference, period. Remember, I am a Luddite. Light triggers are for competition, not fighting.

The Department of Defense went midway in this respect and I respect the decision - the new SIG P320 does have a polymer grip frame but most of the gun is stainless steel and there is a choice of a standard trigger or a "safety trigger" but I do believe the DoD went with the standard trigger at 5.5 pounds. That sounds reasonable for use in a high stress situation and all gun fighting is high stress.

It is very easy to stand at a range and fire small groups with a Glock and tell your students how great you are and that gun is. I show students a better approach to concealed carry and gun fighting than that video shows.

 

[Smoke]

It must be a mental block but while I have no problem with the concept of a polymer handgun, the first time I saw a Glock magazine I has concerns.

 

[TomkinsSP]

I always love self defense instructors who do not take the time to care for their most important weapon, their body.

When the 2001 Anthrax scare erupted I knew a 400 pound, 5 foot 9 attorney (he was a smoker to boot) who IMMEDIATLY found a black market supply of Cipro. I remember thinking, no it won't be the cigarettes, lack of exercise, burbon, ribs slathered in BBQ sauce, 40 ounce sodas, nope, it will be a letter fill of anthrax. He died in his 40s about 4 or 5 years later.

 

[hkcavalier]

I always scratch my head when people question Glocks as a CC option, as if they're only for beginners or non gun nuts.

To me, there's only 3 absolutes with a carry gun:

1. I must have 100% confidence it will fire when I pull the trigger*
2. I must have 100% confidence it won't fire unless I pull the trigger
3. It cannot be a gun I'm attached to, for if I'm involved in a defensive shooting, I stand a decent chance of either not getting it back ever or waiting years to do so.

*obviously off safe for those guns with safeties

To me, a Glock meets all of these requirements. I could carry my 624 LH or S-serial 27-2, but neither are easy to replace. I've also had CC guns that I couldn't have 100% confidence in #1, especially the really tiny ones that don't have a lot of mechanical leeway.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I always love self defense instructors who do not take the time to care for their most important weapon, their body.

I wouldn't judge a person's ability to defend themselves, or their ability to teach others how to defend themselves, by their appearance.

Several years ago I studied jiujitsu. The instructor was similar in build to the guy in the video, maybe even a little bigger. Put a red suit and a white beard on him and he could've passed for Santa. I still remember my first day in class. He picked me to demonstrate a technique he was teaching. He told me to throw a punch at his face. I threw a punch at his face. Before I knew what happened I was on the ground twisted up like a pretzel.

Throughout my time there he was a hands-on instructor, and I never once saw any sign of him getting fatigued. As jovial as he was, I would not want to get on his bad side.

And since we're talking about carry gun choices, his preferred weapon of choice was a 1911, a custom Combat Commander, IIRC.

 

[DevilDog72]

I am a former Marine as well, 1972-1978, and a l l of us were riflemen first and what ever else...cooks included second.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Most women will say that gold is their favorite jewelry metal. Favorite stone are diamonds. Favorite car red convertible.

Notice a pattern? I completely ignore these ninjas and carry what is best for me. If it causes fanboy heartburn that is just free entertainment.

 

[Arik]

I always love self defense instructors who do not take the time to care for their most important weapon, their body.

Look up Larry Vickers. After years of service in US Army's Delta Force he had some serious injuries which eventually lead to weight gain

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[Arik]

Most women will say that gold is their favorite jewelry metal. Favorite stone are diamonds. Favorite car red convertible.

Notice a pattern? I completely ignore these ninjas and carry what is best for me. If it causes fanboy heartburn that is just free entertainment.

Lol and the difference is?

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[michpatriot]

Yes

Take into consideration that most of these instructors have never actually been in a armed confrontation, what kind of experience is that to draw from?

The exact thought is in my mind every time somebody spouts their fountain of info on defensive firearm uses.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Lol and the difference is?

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Some in the gun community are like women~~they shave their heads because every tactikewl instructor shaves their head. It is like celebrities, some people act, or wear clothes a certain way because that is the way the big shots do it. I call it lemming syndrome.

 

[Protected One]

He started the video by saying that "people are always asking him how to select a defensive firearm, what criteria should they use?". Obviously his answer was directed toward no one on this forum, but to suggest that the firearms of choice for a group of dual-certified instructors, lead by at least one very reputable instructor (Tom Givens) might be a good starting point, doesn't strike me as bad advice.

 

[oldiegoldie]

FWIW, Jerry Miculek carries a 340PD.[/QUOTE

he could carry a sling shot and still be a doomsday machine.