What some clueful instructors carry as their defensive firearm

[keith44spl]

The first qualification I did with my current agency, the officer next to me complained loudly that there was no way I could have (1) drawn faster than he did, (2) shoot faster than he did, (3) finish faster than he did, and (4) shoot a higher score than he did. After all, HE was shooting the mighty Glock 22, and "that old man" was shooting an old-fashioned Smith & Wesson revolver (for the record, a Model 686-6). Therefore, "that old man" had to be cheating.

Our rangemaster asked him how long he'd been shooting. "Five years!"

Then he asked me. "Since I was five." (I was considerably older than ten.)

I still carry a revolver(s) and will retire next year. So far, none of the regular officers are beating my qualification scores. Of course, some of them don't take advantage of free range time and training opportunities. Those that do are getting closer.

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LOL, Ain't it the truth.........

I've shot and carried, on and off the same Colt 1911 for the last 50 years or so.

When I go to qualify I shoot the 1911 and my 3 1/2" model 27.....

Being a handgun man ain't cheatin'...........

I receive ammo in here by the cases, and we shoot it too.
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[ImprovedModel56Fan]

AFAIK, Glocks are very good guns. Boring, which is good. They work, or so I'm told. I have never owned one, because they don't fit my hand. Next?

I started to watch the video. I got about as far as "90% 9mm" and knew that I was not going to learn anything about gun choice from this video. Not that there is anything wrong, IMO, with the choice of a handgun in 9mm, but 90% 9mm pretty much means 90+% slabside guns.

This video is not for experienced shooters, who already have the wherewithal to make their own choices. This video is for beginners. Anyone who makes beginners think that almost everybody is best served by an autoloader for EDC is simply wrong. I'm not even going to point out the reasons. Most of the people reading this already know the pros and cons. I am a fairly experienced shooter, and I have been carrying concealed for about 35 years. While I have often carried an auto, I have lately settled in to pretty much revolvers. I do NOT badmouth those who carry autos - I can guess some of their reasons, and the ones who post here surely carry and handle them safely. Beginners, however, are more often better served by a revolver.

I am a little suspicious of someone who seems to be putting forth the idea that beginners are best served by an auto. I would think that there are at least two possible opinions on the subject.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

FWIW, Jerry Miculek carries a 340PD.

It's worth a lot. Jerry Miculek may be THE best shooter of this generation, and the 340PD sucks as a choice for EDC for ME. The moral of the story is that what the so-called experts (or REAL experts in the case of Jerry Miculek) carry is not necessarily related at all to what is best for you or me.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Made me laugh...... Can you imagine a "Range Master" at the range with a 3" Model 66........

Students " Who's the old dude... and what's that he's carrying? Lets get out of here!!!!!!!!"

I am at the range, and not with one of those long-barreled .357 Magnum blasters. I generally carry an Improved Model 56 (2" Model 15), but I don't display it for approval by the uninitiated. Competence to comment will usually become evident when relevant.

 

[AZretired]

I too was a Police Firearms Instructor for part of my career and did very little civilian instruction. I carried a Revolver (M19/M65/M686) for 13 years the final 15 years of 28 years of LE I carried a Sig P220 then a Glock 19 as we could no longer carry revolvers on duty. I did however, carry a J Frame if one sort or another for my entire career and still do 41 years so far.

If I knew that today I will be in a gunfight and couldn't carry a shotgun with me my second choice would be my one remaining Glock 26. 11 rounds, quick to reload, accurate enough and very reliable. But since I do not know when this might happens I choose a 642-1 because it too is very reliable and statistically I should never need more than 5 rounds.

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[Wise_A]

It's worth a lot. Jerry Miculek may be THE best shooter of this generation, and the 340PD sucks as a choice for EDC for ME. The moral of the story is that what the so-called experts (or REAL experts in the case of Jerry Miculek) carry is not necessarily related at all to what is best for you or me.

I'm sick of being told I should shoot my Slow Fire "fast, like Brian Zins". Because I know exactly why fast SF is popular among the National Match contenders. It's windy as hell, so it's better to put 5 shots in during the 2 calm spots you might get in 10 minutes, than to shoot slow in gusts. And because all those guys are talented enough to shoot fast SF 10s, whereas I am not.

I usually just say, "I would, but I'm not Brian Zins." Although depending on who's telling me and how many times they've done so, I've also been known to offer more--abrasive rebuttals.

 

[chief38]

I do not own any Glocks, I am not a LEO and don't much care for plastic guns. That said, I would surely use a Glock as a primary carry weapon if I was indeed a LEO. Like some above have stated, like 'em or not they DO work and work well. They carry a lot of ammo, they have been proven reliable, and unless they are abused, misused or handled by people with poor or insufficient training, they are going to work.

As a civilian and a businessman I choose not to carry a large, bulky and heavy weapon for as many hours a day as I must. My CCW of choice is a M60-7. While it only holds 5 rounds - again I am NOT a LEO in the line of fire on a daily basis and totally WOULD carry a Glock if in fact I was. Well that is my opinion............

 

[chief38]

BTW I did think the guy in the video has many good and valid points! If I were in my 20's now, less complacent and was not so use to and comfortably accurate with my 60-7, I would probably be carrying a Glock or M&P plastic job........

For the younger guys starting out I definitely see his point of view.

 

[Triathloncoach]

After narrowing down to several worthy candidates, it appears LE/Military base their decision on price as much as any criteria. So take what they carrry with a grain of salt.

If you have a gun that goes bang everytime, you can carry it comfortably and you actually do carry it based on probabilty you are GTG. The wild card is will you be like 90% of folks and lose all accuracy in a gun fight due to adrenaline and fear? You never know who is the driving range champ but once they get on the golf course they flub their shots. Who knows? Who knows?

I carry a Glock 19 with a RMR (hopefully I look thru the RMR) or a LCP. If I ever need to use my gun I hope the bad guy, girl or transgender is very close. Very.

 

[Protected One]

BTW I did think the guy in the video has many good and valid points! If I were in my 20's now, less complacent and was not so use to and comfortably accurate with my 60-7, I would probably be carrying a Glock or M&P plastic job........

For the younger guys starting out I definitely see his point of view.

New shooters of ANY AGE could benefit from taking his points to heart.

 

[Mister X]

BTW I did think the guy in the video has many good and valid points! If I were in my 20's now, less complacent and was not so use to and comfortably accurate with my 60-7, I would probably be carrying a Glock or M&P plastic job........

For the younger guys starting out I definitely see his point of view.

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[cybermgk]

It's interesting how many in this thread feel the need to justify or defend Glocks.

I am sure they are great guns.

When I looked at sub compact, SS 9 mms for CC, I went several times to the range, and shot the Walther PPS M2, M&P Shield, Glock 43, Walther CCP and the Springfield XD sub compact.

And the Walther PPS consistently was the fastest on target for me, the gun I shot consistently the best, felt the best in my hand and was drawn the easiest. The CCP was next, but suffered from a couple of failures. Shield was next, followed by the Springfield, with the Glock last.

Could I have practiced with the Glock and gotten better, as good, as good as was needed? Sure. But, the Walther PPS M2, for me, had me starting from a better spot, and is a good reliable gun. So, it came home with me.

 

[Wise_A]

I find it interesting how many feel the need to relentlessly complain about them.

Here, let's have a go.

You know what gun sucks? Sig Sauers. All of them. Out of the box, they're all just unshootable pieces of garbage. My friend Jerry got a brand new P938, and I could barely hit a paper plate at 17 yards with it. Even at 3 yards, I was only getting 3" groups, and not the one ragged hole I get with my Kimber 1911. I'm not a fanboy, but my Kimber is perfect in every way, cooks great eggs, and loans me money. Jerry and I will be keeping our Kimbers, thank you, and throwing that 938 in the trash where it belongs.

Let the games begin.

 

[mrchuck]

Regarding the US Govt ammunition annual orders, it would astound you the annual amount that is sold,even to the most inanimate Department!
Every agency I have ever heard of seems to have firearms carried by their Departments,and thus the annual orders are just amazing.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Regarding the US Govt ammunition annual orders, it would astound you the annual amount that is sold,even to the most inanimate Department!
Every agency I have ever heard of seems to have firearms carried by their Departments,and thus the annual orders are just amazing.

Last time I read anything on the subject there were over 200 different federal law enforcement agencies, i.e. organizations with powers to arrest and carry firearms.

 

[TomkinsSP]

At the risk of being called a politically incorrect Dinosaur. Lets see. Zero military expirence. Zero LEO experience. But, hey if they have an opinion on the ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFET looks like they have experience there...

 

[Lt JL]

my old department has used Sigs for about 25-26 years. from 225s and 228s in 9mm to 226 and 229 and 239 in .40. I hear we are probably going back to 228s in 9mm soon. Our range guys are Glock fans to some extent, but feel i's easier to teach someone to shoot a Sig than a Glock.
Interestingly, to me anyway, is when I draw a glock from the holster, it presents high. If I remember to hold it like a model 19, it's on target. The Sigs fit me very well, and I started out with a 4" pencil barrel model 10.

 

[Rastoff]

Interestingly, to me anyway, is when I draw a glock from the holster, it presents high.

This is due to the grip angle. The Sig grip is closer to perpendicular to the bore. This is why the front sight is high on the Glock. If you had previously used a Glock a lot and then gone to the Sig, the Sig would present low.

Practice with either enough and you'll get used to it. This is why I recommend to use one gun. This way you'll never have to search for the sights.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I prefer round butt K-frame Smith & Wessons in .38 Spl and/or .357 Mag. I’m thinking about one of the new Model 66-8 2.75 inch guns to become my primary after I retire next year.


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[elm_creek_smith]

You've got to add the grungy beard and arm-sleeve tattoos to the fad, though.

Work says I can have a “neatly trimmed” mustache, no beard, and no visible tattoos. Someone asked if I wore long sleeves all the time to hide tats. Nope; scars.


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