What to do with collection when I'm gone

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Not sure if this is the right place to put this but here goes. I consider all of you my friends and need your ideas. I have a nice gun collection of pistols, rifles and shotguns mostly from the 1920's to 1980's. I was a police officer for thirty years and have two grown boys with their own family. Neither of the boys are gun tolerant and I need to know that my collection will be taken care of or sold off properly. I do have a good friend I grew up with who is also an avid collector. The collection also has an all matching 1944 German K98 I received from my Uncle, who participated in the D-Day invasion, as no one on his side liked or tolerated weapons in their home. I have the matching Springfield Garand from the same year. I would be interested to hear what my friends here think and the best way to proceed. I got divorced 10 years ago and remarried and my wife shoots and shares my love for these weapons. She has two children I would not trust with the collection. Have a safe, healthy and prosperous New Year.
Thank you all.
 
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I am kind of in the same dilemma as you. I don't have anyone in my family who would appreciate my collection. I have considered two choices 1) Give the guns a good home with a person who will care for them like they should be. 2) Have the guns sold and the money divided between my relatives.

I would gladly care for your Mauser and Garand but you should hand them over to a friend or someone you know.
 
Sell them! Keep only what you use!

I recently sold most of my collection. I kept what I use for hunting and target shooting only. Due to health issues, I decided to do this because I wanted to control what I got out of them and to whom they went. I didn't want my wife burdened with disposing of these, even though I do have 2 trusted friends that have offered to help her if something happens to me. I spent a lot of time accumulating my collection and I wanted to experience the "joy" and "sense of accomplishment" of selling them myself. I must say it was the BEST decision I have ever made.
 
There are some very good people out here; one being David Carroll. He is an expert on firearms, he is ethical and will do good for you. I wish you luck and enjoy your collection while they are still yours.

I am retired law enforcement & hope to leave some fine S&W's to my son. Have to think about my daughter though, she is a cash person.
 
I have helped my friends families after my friends passed away. It's a huge burden to take on selling other people's guns and getting what they are worth to the families. I have asked my other friends to find someone else to help them. If you can then sell what you want now, it's the only way to get a fair price.

The new year starts I am going to start selling, I won't burden my friends with getting rid of my stuff.
 
Pharman, I knew an older collector who as he began to fail did just what you describe. He "sold" me a few and had a lot of fun ensuring that his guns went where he wanted them to. After he died, I had his widow take the remaining guns to a Portland man who runs excellent auctions, "Jack the dog". He got her top dollar for the rest.
 
Ideas!

Sir, it appears you have been in service of your country and community for many years, THANK YOU!
I'm in some what of the same dilemma as you, two boys and no interest in ALL my guns! My boys do shoot but do not have the interest in collecting as I do! The first step is to make a "will" for your guns! By this I mean to leave detailed instructions in the safe as to what should be done with your collection. This will eliminate the burden on your spouse and/or family! These instructions could be to leave them with a good friend to sell on line or at shows, consign them to or sell them to a gun dealer(David Carroll is an excellent choice), and another possible choice is to send them to a large auction house( Rock island Auctions, Amoskeag Auction Co., etc.). A factor in your choice should be the amount of time to convert your collection into cash for disposition. OR, start selling them now and you will be able to see where each gun goes!
Good luck, jcelect
 
I echo what others have said and suggest you consider disposing of your asserts before others are forced to make decisions that you otherwise would not have chosen. I have similar circumstances regarding family members who do not appreciate firearms collecting as I do. Consequently I've slowly begun to pair down my collection with money going in straight into the bank. This is a Win-Win situation for me; I get some unprogramed retirement funds and also, like fishing's' "catch and release", are able to return some "trophys" to circulation for other to find :)
 
This may be hard to hear, but I believe that at some point the value of things "we" cherish is lost...if they are passed on to someone who doesn't share those values.

Rather than risk them suffering that fate I would sell them myself - NOW, while I can determine where they end up.
 
Tough call since your wife shares your interest but not her or your kids. Maybe you could see if your avid collector friend would be interested in any of them at a fair price. The K98 has to be quite valuable. I'm in the opposite position; five grandsons, all like firearms, plus two sons in law who appreciate firearms. Wife has zero interest.
 
A fellow collector told me a story of a recent widow who burned her husband's stamp collection. She was jealous of the time he spent devoted to it. The collection was worth several hundred thousand...

People do not value what we value.
 
I have two sons. I've suggested to them that when I die, they flip a coin. Whoever wins the coin toss goes first. Pick one. The other gets the next pick. Keep going until you don't want the rest. Auction them and split the money.

This was a suggestion. When I'm dead, I don't really care what happens to them.
 
Figure out what you want, and do it.

Jack the Dog sells on GunAuction. Com and gets very nice prices.

I have often thought that the NRA should offer a service. They would take the guns before or after the owner's demise. Sell at fair value, and take a 10% cut of the proceeds. If it went to an educational program it might be tax deductible.
 
I would like to help ALL of you who see this as a dilemma.Simply leave all of your guns to me. I will appreciate them, and care for them as you do. There......problem solved. You are welcome.
 
Thanks for all your good and not so good suggestions. I guess it would be best to just start selling but a hard decision for me to make.
Thank you
 
I guess it would be best to just start selling but a hard decision for me to make.
Thank you

Sir, remember that most hard decisions are the really important decisions.

I've made it clear, when I go, that my assorted firearms are to go to a good friend.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your predicament. You've been given some good suggestions. Best of luck on whatever you decide.
 
You spent the time collecting them, take the time to sell them off. Better yet, get some in an auction that you can attend and watch folks bid on your guns. Start small with 2 or 3 and see if you like it. Keep a few that you want to give to friends or someone who it will mean something to.

I'm not there yet, my kids are still in their teens, but they have picked out the ones they want and when they can safety store them, they get them.
 
This is a huge subject and full of problems. The absolute worst thing is to do nothing. I've watched a few situations where the gun guy did just that and it often turns out to be a burden. Widows seem to come in 2 flavors. One that is certain her deceased hubby was worlds smartest guy. They're sure his guns are worth more than brand new. Then they feel cheated when no one wants to pay a huge premium. Even for hunting guns that end up fairly beaten up over decades of use. Guns that are still in production and available at your local Walmart. And they're sure all of his friends are vultures when they offer up the asked for appraisal. Still as bad are the fools who offer to take the guns to a local gun show and try to sell them, often for the prices she dictates. Its how you can sit for 2 full days and accomplish nothing, and then earn her hatred for not trying hard. Its a loser for everyone.

One situation I was familiar with was a widow with a very large and nice collection. A regional gun shop came in and gave her a low ball estimate. Sure not a favor, their estimate was about $200,000. She just procrastinated, and couldn't sell just yet. Eventually David Carroll got involved. She trusted him and he sold off her collection, getting maybe in the $500,000 range. Back to the early estimate. She was advised by some well meaning fool that the estimate should be the tax basis. It meant she was sitting on a $300,000 taxable gain. Not good. Worse, she was honest and claimed it, paying the huge tax bill.

If you sell the guns yourself, you do it as a "tax friendly" transaction. Meaning it was your gun, you sold it and put the money in your pocket. Often if the widow sells the guns, you will get the IRS involved. Don't do it. Its a can of worms.

I'm retired and one of my simple pleasures is to attend gun shows with my buddies. We sit and talk (all lies), and often sell a gun or two. Over a multi year period, you can sell dozens of your old guns, often getting top dollar. Or not, we don't have to sell. Buyers just can't understand us old mule like fellers, digging our heals in and not being moved by their best bargaining tactics. But if you don't pay my price, I'll just bring the gun back again. And when I eventually croak, my wife will just call David to come pick up whats left.

I view things differently from my wife. Her solution was to just let our sons, who are into guns, pick what they want (its called cherry picking) and let David take whats left. The better solution is to let David pickup what he wants on his way to a OGCA show and leave what he doesn't want. Then the kids can take or leave whats left. They already have guns to remember ole Dad. Anything else is just gravy.
 
This is a very difficult decision to make. In my case I have 2 sons and the youngest has quite a few guns and bought a gun safe and the oldest son is so involved in work his interest in guns is not really there. My view on this matter is that I should go ahead and sell what I want to sell and give them what I want to give them while I am still walking this good earth. I haven't done this yet because I am still buying a few and adding to the problem. I know what I should do but it is kind of hard to point my mind in that direction.
 
The easiest thing for the heirs is to have you liquidate the collection for them as they are not likely to understand your collection as you do. Failing that, I would be very precise (serial number) in your will in indicating exactly who gets exactly what gun or accessory in order to avoid arguments. Way too often I have seen very sad family arguments and will challenges that decedents never imagined possible and/or would not allow me to anticipate on their wills erupting after their death. Once you're dead, no one will care about how you feel about how your stuff is doled out.
 
I'll be in the same boat as the OP. I plan on "gifting" many of the guns to friends that have gone shooting with me and showed a respect/admiration of the guns. A couple of them are younger police officers that I know will appreciate owning/shooting an "older" revolver while still carrying their polymer guns.

My wife inherited some family heirlooms that will go to our son and he can do what he pleases with them. I plan on being in charge of the disposition of the rest.
 
Sell them to your friend if your wife does not want or cannot take care of them. Or you can give them to me where they will abide in a good Christian home.
 
My wife has been instructed to give what to who and I have a trusted friend who will help with the disposal of the rest ! ;)
 
Some choices...

1) sell them off slowly and build your own estate. That way your family will benefit.

2) Put them in your estate and let the family split them and sell them off. (I'd be afraid they would have them destroyed) Personally, I don't like that option for anti-gunners.

3) Leave them to someone who would appreciate them. If your family isn't in the appreciating category, I'd keep 'em out of their hands. Your collecting friend sounds like a good option.

4) Donate to a museum and say to hell with everybody.:D
 
This is a huge subject and full of problems. The absolute worst thing is to do nothing. I've watched a few situations where the gun guy did just that and it often turns out to be a burden.
Yes, and as someone else pointed out above, it is often a burden to the widow/family AND to the trusted guy who is asked to help. I've helped two people liquidate collections, and it is not a small task, even for a smaller (20 guns or so) collections. Coming up with a fair value, explaining to the heir the difference between a buy price and a sell price, finding buyers or other ways to dispose of them, etc. I've printed off recent completed auctions on gunbroker.com as one way to show them what similar / equivalent guns are selling for, and that often helps, but it is more work. The one widow I helped was great, and after I gave her the value of each gun in the collection and helped her sell a few (and got pretty much what they were worth), she offered me a gun for free for my services. I ended up suggesting that I just take it at a discount, but it was a nice gesture, and a fair one on her part, I think.

I view things differently from my wife. Her solution was to just let our sons, who are into guns, pick what they want (its called cherry picking) and let David take whats left. The better solution is to let David pickup what he wants on his way to a OGCA show and leave what he doesn't want. Then the kids can take or leave whats left. They already have guns to remember ole Dad. Anything else is just gravy.
This is exactly right, IF your goal is to get the most money for your collection. It can also be a bad mistake, depending on your sons. If you are talking about sons who like to go hunting or blasting targets on the weekend, and you don't want them cherry-picking the Colt SAA serial #1 or the nearly NIB S&W HE 44 Spl from 1920 out of your collection, and taking it out weekly and blasting modern jacketed ammo through it, then, yes, I see your point. However, if one or both of your kids love guns, collecting, and history, and would appreciate a collectable for what it is, and you send them off to the auction, you will certainly cause hard feelings.


I'd say THE most important thing to do is to communicate with your loved ones, gunship.

I love the story about the stamp collection that went up in smoke... As a collector, I don't really care that she lost out on hundreds of thousands of dollars. She was stupid and didn't deserve the money as far as I'm concerned. I'm more upset at the loss to the world of collectors. And, that's they way I'd look at the guns too. I have three kinds of guns in my safe:

A) Collectibles, which are valuable and never shot and kept for enjoyment and investment.
B) Shooters, which are kept for using.
C) Accidents, which are guns that I don't really care about, but I came into them as a deal.

Accidents are a great place to start divesting one-self of a collection. You don't care about them, probably don't have much in them, and can see what profit you can turn and how you feel about letting them go.

Shooters are not as easy to get rid of, until the day comes you can't shoot anymore. My dad died three years ago of pancreatic cancer. He last 5 months after diagnosis, and some days were better than others. I called one of my best friends, who was close to my dad, and informed him. Good friend that he is, he said, "well, it's time to shoot up every round of ammo he owns." A couple months before dad died, on a beautiful warm summer day, my friend and I took dad to the range with every gun he wanted to shoot and several cans of ammo. Dad got to shoot his beloved M1 Carbines, Broomhandle Mausers, his Garand, and WWII 1911. The Thompson was too heavy for him, but he had a great day. After thanking us profusely, he told me to take the guns to my house, which I did. I gave a bunch of the extra ammo left over to my buddy for him facilitating. Shooters may or may not have some monetary value, but I say if you have heirs who want them, give them to them. I have a daughter, nephew and 3 grand-nephews who are avidly interested in guns. Several are only interested in hunting guns, so they will get their pick of the shotguns. One is into modern military guns, so he'll get a few choices out of what I own of them. My daughter is just starting her shooting interest, but she'll get whatever she wants. :D

The Collectibles are the harder category to deal with. They are pricey, and as I described above about the stamp collector, there is a broader group than the family who would really appreciate them (and likely no one in the family who would). Still, I would communicate with the family. The only person in the family I would GIVE these to, would be my daughter. (Having only one direct heir makes this easier on me than others, perhaps.) At some point, the financial value gets to a point that it's unfair to the others. I've left instructions that my collectibles should go to one of the firearms collector auction companies (we're down the road from Rock Island Auctions), if my daughter doesn't want them. (She might. She and I are very close and she is showing a pretty good interest. Still, those change over time, so I want her and my wife to know and have options.) If I live a good long time more, and my daughter doesn't want the collectibles I've got, I love the suggestions of going to the auction yourself and watching them get bid on. Now, if you do not have an easy, single-heir situation like me, but an heir or two ARE interested in the collectables, the other thing I would suggest, to be fair to the other heirs, is to put a value on the collectibles and ask the heirs who want them to buy them or take an off-set against their inheritance. I did this with my dad's (actually my paternal grandfather's, but dad had inherited it from him) coin collection. My sister wasn't interested in it, but it wasn't fair for me to just take it. Had to count it out and put values on it, and I paid cash for some, took an off-set for some of it (mom gave the sister some cash), and some of it went to local coin dealer for sale. I'm happy, mom's happy, and sister are happy. It took communication though. That's the work. That and being sensitive to fairness and other heir's feelings.
 
Getting ready

I'm 64, I had to face up to fact that I can't run up and down the
mountains any more. I use to hunt every thing,every where. I have son who likes to plink with 22s once in a while. Got 1 nephew and 1 grandson. I ended up with all family guns, they
knew I wouldn't sell them. The family guns are going to the two
boys,they know what they represent. I have already sold off my
magnum rifles. The rest of them I'm going to sell of little at a time. My wife and kids know what guns are worth, they have
payed a lot of bills over the years. I very seldom have bought a
new gun, there has been hundreds pass through my hands. When
you pick up old rifle that you killed a deer with it's almost like
having a movie in your mind. You don't want to let go.
 
I'm 64. No wife, no kids. lots of guns. I am starting to dispose of them through private sales. Most of my trade fodder is gone, watch this space for a couple of nice S&Ws, and I'll auction many at some point. I don't want to die with a couple of locked safes, a few loaded pieces here and there, and nobody designated to clean up after me.
 
Going back a few years I was promised a German Lugar that My Uncle (no Children that lived past the age of 16) brought back after WWII as a capture with all the proper paperwork. He was a POW in Europe for 3 years, by the time the camp was taken over by the allies he was the highest ranking Non Com in the camp he was given the Lugar the holster and the wooden attachable stock. to make a long story short when my uncle passed the Lugar was no where to be found. My aunts side of the family was never gun friendly and I believe that when my uncle passed they quickly removed the Lugar and sold it. Not caring about any historical or sentimental value it had.

In last few years I have thinned the collection getting rid of the lesser value / more common guns. I have picked up a few better quality / more rare items. I more or less keep a list of who should get what in the event of my passing and what fair market value would be on most. My most treasured items have been promised to my children and Grand kids in the hopes that they will enjoy them as much as I do now.
Rob
 

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