Alex Inman
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I notice models like the 4566, and 4563 have TSW and CQB. I notice the CQB is very less Popular and am just curious of what the CQB versions are designed for?
What was the purpose of Close Quarter Battle Pistols?
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Okay I'll be the smart ***...
Wait for it...
wait for it...
For " CLOSE QUARTER BATTLE ".
As in up close and personal...
LOL
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cherrypointmarine
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I don't think less popular is the phrase to use . There are less of them out there , and they are PC guns . Thus they shoot like the older PC guns , which is why people keep them . You might read about them in the Standard Catalog , which would explain them to you . I am sure some owners will weigh in . I don't have one , but I have 2 PC Recon45's .
03Fatboy
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Huh huh huh???? I'm confused, Please help me understand what your asking.
Cal44
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Lots of Smith and Wesson gun names are for marketing purposes. Like "Combat Magnum" revolvers which haven't seen Combat in 50+ years.
The idea is to choose product names that make the buyers feel like ninja warriors.
Or names like "Chief's Special" because who doesn't want to be chief and special?
The idea is to choose product names that make the buyers feel like ninja warriors.
Or names like "Chief's Special" because who doesn't want to be chief and special?
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Folks who want to be "operators" ?
bigggbbruce
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Fancy way of saying handgun..
OP
Alex Inman
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Like what was the purpose of that version?
TSW is an enhanced 3rd gen pistol. The CQB is an enhanced PC vesion of 1911s and some 3rd gen pistols as well. (4563CQB) Other than being a PC gun with what ever enhancements they brought the Tactical S&W and Close Quarter Battle or just names used to set them above and apart from a standard gun of that particular model.(Marketing) All pistols are intended for Close Quarter Battle.
If you look at the Wilson Combat website there are 14 Variants of a full size 1911 not including Commander sizes. 3 of thsie are QCB variants. Full-Size-https://shopwilsoncombat.com/
As a side note from post #6 above the Chief Special was a particular gun designed and named paticularly for Police Chiefs as a CCW for plan clothes carry. It was actually named by them (a group of Police Chiefs in 1950.) It bacame the model 36 in 1957. The semi auto pistol Chief Special... I am not sure if why they named it a CS.
If you look at the Wilson Combat website there are 14 Variants of a full size 1911 not including Commander sizes. 3 of thsie are QCB variants. Full-Size-https://shopwilsoncombat.com/
As a side note from post #6 above the Chief Special was a particular gun designed and named paticularly for Police Chiefs as a CCW for plan clothes carry. It was actually named by them (a group of Police Chiefs in 1950.) It bacame the model 36 in 1957. The semi auto pistol Chief Special... I am not sure if why they named it a CS.
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My personal opinion (and I am full of them, along with something else, or so I'm told) is that terms like CQB are more for marketing than anything else. I currently have a S&W 439, a 6946, and a 645. The only enhancements that I have given to any of these pistols are fresh recoil and magazine springs and the magazine spring replacement need was highly questionable. I would consider these three pistols to be CQB handguns, but without the price tag and markings on the slides.
gwpercle
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Just another cute gimmicky name to make some wanna be warriors buy their product ... the term "Tactical" has been so worn out that the makers are having to come up with new terms .
Close Quarters Battle just sounds so much badder than tactical and the young guys will all be impressed .
I'll just keep my 1911 45 acp ... it ain't got no tricky name or letters but it has worked just fine for 108 years .
CQB = Marketing Bull , nothing else .
Some people will buy anything if it's marketed correctly ....
I worked in marketing for a while .
Gary
Close Quarters Battle just sounds so much badder than tactical and the young guys will all be impressed .
I'll just keep my 1911 45 acp ... it ain't got no tricky name or letters but it has worked just fine for 108 years .
CQB = Marketing Bull , nothing else .
Some people will buy anything if it's marketed correctly ....
I worked in marketing for a while .
Gary
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Designed for the same thing as the Recon, Tactical, and Limited versions. Sales . . .
vigil617
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I'm not all that familiar with other gun brands, but I know some of them had "Close Quarter Battle" models too, and perhaps still do. My guess is that S&W was just "keeping up with the Joneses" in offering a product -- albeit a very nice one -- to compete with or ride the coattails of the ones of other manufacturers.
A bit more research shows that the "close quarters battle" moniker was attached to special versions of pistols produced for specops units in the U.S. military, so it would be natural for that term to migrate into the world of products for the civilian market too.
A bit more research shows that the "close quarters battle" moniker was attached to special versions of pistols produced for specops units in the U.S. military, so it would be natural for that term to migrate into the world of products for the civilian market too.
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cherrypointmarine
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Come on , somebody has got to have one of these . Let us know how it shoots and if it lives up to it's name . There's one for sale here now , and if you look at it , and read about it , it's another fine example of the older PC guns , at least in my opinion . Does it shoot as good as my m945 ? Someone let us know .
vigil617
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Nice as they are, cherrypointmarine, from what I've read on here from folks who've shot them, the CQB pistols aren't going to be in the same league as the 945 and 845 models, especially in the triggers. All Performance Center products, and therefore truly special, but the 845 and 945 guns are exceptional. If you're interested in owning a 4563 CQB at a good price, let me know; I can tell you where there's one for sale.
03Fatboy
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I know I know, I have my moments. I think it was marketing for S&W and they realized the three letters would fit as a Billboard on the side of the slide.
I have a PC 4563 CQB and it is a fantastic shooter! I guess now I can add "Operator" to my signature line. [emoji6]
I have a 3566TSW. The TSW stand for Team Smith and Wesson. It shoots a cartridge named the .356TSW. It is basically a 9X21.5 rather than 9X19. It is a PC gun from 93 I think and it shoots as good as My 52, if not better.
OP
Alex Inman
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What color is it/what does it look like?
CAJUNLAWYER
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Why in the wide world of sports would one settle on a 9x21.5??????? Why not 9x21 or 9x22
I'll not own a PC gun of any kind as I have never been, nor will I ever be a PC person. I'm more of an Ah kind of guy.
All this talk about the 4563 CQB these last few weeks made one come out of the safe, (again.) This time it's not siamese'd with another rare PC pistol and offered by itself.
Check out spistols CQB here in the WTS section.
Jim
Check out spistols CQB here in the WTS section.
Jim
03Fatboy
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Not sure the photo will show well since I'm uploading from my phone and the forum seems to struggle with it.
vigil617
US Veteran
There was already a 9 x 21, and S&W and Federal were coming up with a niche cartridge that would meet requirements of the competitions it would be involved in. I guess the extra .5 was the best solution.
And as for the rest of your post, Caj, I can only respond: "Yeah, but you're our AH kind of guy."
vigil617
US Veteran
Indeed, Jim, and yours is the one that cherrypointmarine was referring to. Also, my pointing out to him a 4563 CQB at a good price that I could tell him about was certainly no disparagement of your As New In Box gun with all that came with it. The one I've seen is supposedly unfired, but it has no case, extra mags, and so forth -- and is not the collector-quality gun that yours is, so the price reflects those omissions.
vigil617
US Veteran
Thanks for the photo, 03Fatboy. I guarantee you, though, that he knows what one looks like already....
I simply see it as a marketing term, like tactical, derived from the military to sell guns and gear to keyboard warriors. It means absolutely nothing meaningful, just sounds cool.
Cal44
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Isn't an operator the person who handles telephone calls?
I wonder why anyone want's that obsolete job.
Attraction to Lily Tomlin? Futile, I might add.
I just gotta post this link.
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