What Will Happen If I Have To Defend Myself

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I have owned handguns and been shooting for 40 years. 99% of what I do is slow fire at the range because I enjoy the concentration and skill required to shoot a tight group at 25 yards. I have described it to friends as high speed bowling. Based upon self introspection, conversations and basic reading, I know I am spectacularly unprepared technically and emotionally to respond to a self defense situation. I wonder how many others are? Arguably, we all know the basic elements that must be present to come out on the other side healthy and whole. One must be the first get a round on target, have accurate shot placement in a critical area, have a weapon and caliber up to the task and more than a small measure of luck. In short, one must have a proper weapon, and training, training and more training. However, I suspect that the above may get you 50% there, give or take 40%!

An analogy that works well for me is when I rode motorcycles. Like my training with handguns, I learned from well accomplished friends and direct experience; two reasonably good sources under normal conditions. Over the years, I totaled about 200k miles of riding; not a huge amount, but respectable. During that time, I had two accidents that resulted in significant injury. Both times, I had maybe .5 to 1 second to react and both times I simultaneously locked the brakes, said "oh ****" and slid sideways into the car. I very likely would died if I had not done that much, but it wasn't really enough since I was pretty badly hurt both times. Similar to firearms, more training would have helped when I had to respond in a fraction of a second with little more than muscle memory going for me. However, the missing element, regardless of level of training, is the sudden surprise and violence that is an inseparable part of an actual confrontation. How do you experience and train for that? Racing can get you there with motorcycles. Whether it is motocross or road racing, one uses all of one's skills and is occasionally presented with situations that bring that missing element into play. Do it enough times and you may actually ingrain the proper response when reality strikes and you only have a fraction of a second to act. Short of being in combat or an LEO who has been in the unfortunate position of fighting for their life, I see no way of getting to that last level of training with a weapon. By the way, the racing analogy breaks down at some point because one is already at a high level of attention and readiness that is frequently not present when one enters a self defense situation. It is the difference between what it takes in a drag race to go from 30-60 as opposed to 0-60.

Since I am not going to be enlisting in a combat branch or joining the police department at the age of 61, I have to work with what I have. Here is what I think I know and what I think I can do:
1. Keep it simple and fast with a weapon requiring the minimum of thought, training and muscle memory to get it into action. In other words, use a double action revolver.
2. Select one most appropriate for the task. I own a Ruger, a Colt and a couple of Smiths in a variety of calibers, but a .44 special Charter Arms Bulldog is my go-to gun. It is a good choice for a combination of reasons. It is an early '70's model that was built well and whose action was reworked to an S&W level of smoothness about 30 years ago. It is certainly not a large frame, "heavy duty" gun, but it is capable of taking thousands of moderate loads and is strong enough to digest occasional heavy defense loads. I have fired everything from mild target loads to hand loads approaching magnum level, and it only needed having screws tightened a couple of times to stay in perfect operating order. While it only holds five rounds, the experiences of others suggest that I would probably be lucky to get more than a couple rounds off in the vast majority of situations, making the advantage of a double stack magazine a moot point.
3. .44 special with a "defense" load leaves a big hole and has good penetration, especially at close range.
4. I am satisfied with my ability with it at the range. I have rapid fired this handgun many, many times. It points well and I am not afraid of the recoil. I also know that I can keep all five rounds in an area no larger than pie plate at 10 yards and 6 inches at 10 feet under practice conditions. This puts my basic skills somewhat in the ballpark. Continual practice may improve that, but it is what I know to be the best I can bring to the party.

So, I have a reliable weapon that makes a big hole through thick stuff at close range. It has adequate accuracy at close range and so do I, assuming that I am not overwhelmed with fear and adrenaline during the moment of crisis. Who knows how I will respond? My experience with motorcycles suggest that it comes down to a matter of how successful I will be when I "lock the brakes, say oh **** and slide sideways" into the target.
 
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Plan Ahead...

In the aviation world it goes, "Plan the flight and fly the plan." In the unlikely event I'd ever need to appropriately respond to a real threat, the time to plan is not during the event. I try to mull over these plans and discuss them with my wife from time to time.

Do you know where the emergency exits are on an airplane, how to use the oxygen masks or the flotation devices?

You'll end up the worse if you don't rehearse.
 
its like playing a tune on an electric guitar.
you have the riff down but your not stage worthy till ya nail the solo.
slow down and nail the notes till its all programmed in .. take it slow and add speed till it's legit.
first note is to get clothing clear of your weapon, second it the draw, third presentation fourth is the double tap, fifth if kinda like a sweep. another double tap while retreating from the threat.
like a guitar solo, the elements are fairly simple its just rapid succession
 
I have owned handguns and been shooting for 40 years. 99% of what I do is slow fire at the range because I enjoy the concentration and skill required to shoot a tight group at 25 yards. I have described it to friends as high speed bowling. Based upon self introspection, conversations and basic reading, I know I am spectacularly unprepared technically and emotionally to respond to a self defense situation. I wonder how many others are? Arguably, we all know the basic elements that must be present to come out on the other side healthy and whole. One must be the first get a round on target, have accurate shot placement in a critical area, have a weapon and caliber up to the task and more than a small measure of luck. In short, one must have a proper weapon, and training, training and more training. However, I suspect that the above may get you 50% there, give or take 40%!

An analogy that works well for me is when I rode motorcycles. Like my training with handguns, I learned from well accomplished friends and direct experience; two reasonably good sources under normal conditions. Over the years, I totaled about 200k miles of riding; not a huge amount, but respectable. During that time, I had two accidents that resulted in significant injury. Both times, I had maybe .5 to 1 second to react and both times I simultaneously locked the brakes, said "oh ****" and slid sideways into the car. I very likely would died if I had not done that much, but it wasn't really enough since I was pretty badly hurt both times. Similar to firearms, more training would have helped when I had to respond in a fraction of a second with little more than muscle memory going for me. However, the missing element, regardless of level of training, is the sudden surprise and violence that is an inseparable part of an actual confrontation. How do you experience and train for that? Racing can get you there with motorcycles. Whether it is motocross or road racing, one uses all of one's skills and is occasionally presented with situations that bring that missing element into play. Do it enough times and you may actually ingrain the proper response when reality strikes and you only have a fraction of a second to act. Short of being in combat or an LEO who has been in the unfortunate position of fighting for their life, I see no way of getting to that last level of training with a weapon. By the way, the racing analogy breaks down at some point because one is already at a high level of attention and readiness that is frequently not present when one enters a self defense situation. It is the difference between what it takes in a drag race to go from 30-60 as opposed to 0-60.

Since I am not going to be enlisting in a combat branch or joining the police department at the age of 61, I have to work with what I have. Here is what I think I know and what I think I can do:
1. Keep it simple and fast with a weapon requiring the minimum of thought, training and muscle memory to get it into action. In other words, use a double action revolver.
2. Select one most appropriate for the task. I own a Ruger, a Colt and a couple of Smiths in a variety of calibers, but a .44 special Charter Arms Bulldog is my go-to gun. It is a good choice for a combination of reasons. It is an early '70's model that was built well and whose action was reworked to an S&W level of smoothness about 30 years ago. It is certainly not a large frame, "heavy duty" gun, but it is capable of taking thousands of moderate loads and is strong enough to digest occasional heavy defense loads. I have fired everything from mild target loads to hand loads approaching magnum level, and it only needed having screws tightened a couple of times to stay in perfect operating order. While it only holds five rounds, the experiences of others suggest that I would probably be lucky to get more than a couple rounds off in the vast majority of situations, making the advantage of a double stack magazine a moot point.
3. .44 special with a "defense" load leaves a big hole and has good penetration, especially at close range.
4. I am satisfied with my ability with it at the range. I have rapid fired this handgun many, many times. It points well and I am not afraid of the recoil. I also know that I can keep all five rounds in an area no larger than pie plate at 10 yards and 6 inches at 10 feet under practice conditions. This puts my basic skills somewhat in the ballpark. Continual practice may improve that, but it is what I know to be the best I can bring to the party.

So, I have a reliable weapon that makes a big hole through thick stuff at close range. It has adequate accuracy at close range and so do I, assuming that I am not overwhelmed with fear and adrenaline during the moment of crisis. Who knows how I will respond? My experience with motorcycles suggest that it comes down to a matter of how successful I will be when I "lock the brakes, say oh **** and slide sideways" into the target.

Tom,

Did you just wake up from a bad NightMare?:) Just joking.

All points made good.

Especially the point about a Split Second to make the right decision.

One more point that is ~ "Dead Men Tell No Tales".

If you are Dead,, then they can say anything they want to against you.

If They are Dead,, then You can do the Talking.

In a Split Second,, you've got to determine if you are right,, then make sure that you are the one that will be a doing all the talking.

I don't want to ever have to hurt anybody,, but on the other hand,, there are those out there amongst us,, that don't care how many other people that they hurt,, right or wrong.

After it is all over,, I don't want those kind, to be a doing any talking at all...

JMO

YMMV
Joe
 
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Sounds like you have a good attitude. You know your limitations, that's good. A lot of people think now that they can carry a gun, they're a Commando, and can just shoot down bad guys at will.. Uh, No.
As someone who has been carrying for over 27 years, the best advice I can give is to simply stay alert. If you've read the late Col. Jeff Cooper you know about his color codes. Most of the world operates in Condition White. That is a state of blissful unawareness. We should all live in Condition Yellow. That is a relaxed state of awareness. Not paranoia. You just notice what's going on. It may be the lady with the cute little toddler in the park, or it might be the guy sizing you up for an attack. You just know what's going on, and won't be surprised.
If you can develop this mind-set, the chances of survival go way up. That's a good thing.
Jim
 
In The Gravest Extreme

By Massad F. Ayoob is the best book for you to read and study. Back that up with Defensive Living, by Ed Lovette and Dave Spaulding.

The first was written by Ayoob about 30 years ago, and is as valid today as it was then. the second book is much newer and covers many other subjects.

I am giving a number of these books for Christmas presents this year if my orders get here.

I like big bullets too, and often choose a .44 Special for carry.

Best to you Tom, from and old guy.:) You look at reality well:D
 
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When I was in flight training my instructor regularly reminded me, "when the stuff hits the fan you will not rise to the occasion. At best, you will rise to your level of training."

As a LE firearms instructor I have repeated that bit of wisdom often. Seems to me that's applicable to pretty much anything we do from driving a car, riding a motorcycle, playing a musical instrument, public speaking, or cooking a great steak. Only in the movies does a regular Joe rise up to be the super hero just because the opportunity avails itself.
 
As a rider myself I do a lot of mental rehearsing when i ride but even more when i drive so I any more prepared for problems.
To answer your question about killing someone. You have to ask yourslef the question frequently and always give a good positive answer. In my case it is simple. My daddy taught me when you point your gun at something it is no longer anything but a target to be distoryed. Of course I have trained my heart and mind to am able and willing to kill if I ever have to. And I pray that I never have to.
The rest is train and train more. I am doing a defense class this weekend to advance my training and reinforce what i have done so far.
 
All good points made here along with good ideas on reading as part of your training & preparation. One thing to remember; the idea of armed self defense is not to kill someone, although this might be the logical outcome. The only idea is to stop the bad guy for doing you harm. I've been there, one survived and others did not. Either way I'm still around and IMHO that's all that counts.
 
During annual refresher training one year a fairly new officer asked an instructor "after the incident, investigation, legal proceedings have run their course then what?"

"You live with it."

Which lead to a discussion of the emotional consequences of taking another person's life, survivor's guilt, and how you may be treated differently by friends, family and the community.
 
First thing is JAIL.

See;
Dooley guilty of manslaughter, blames racism for verdict | TBO.com

local to me. 69 year old gent of color shot and killed a 41 year old man not of color in front of his daughter, just found guilty to be sentenced. The 41 year old significantly larger than the 69 year old. The shooter unsucessfully tried to assert our State's "stand your ground" law.

No comment except that 69 is pretty old to be going to prison for something that could have been avoided and a daughter didn't have to see her Dad shot to death.

Instructive.

Best.
 
A few have touched on it...training.

I am now looking into defensive pistol classes in my area. There are several good ones in my state and the cost is not prohibitive (except for the number of rounds of ammo required). It sounds like you have prepared yourself mentally and emotionally. I would highly recommend that we all find defensive pistol training classes and attend as many as we can and thereby turn that training into muscle memory.
 
If you can find one, spend some time using a FATS (Firearms Training System) a sort of interactive simulator that presents various scenarios in which you have to react quickly and appropriately, make shoot/don't shoot decisions, and so forth --- if nothing else, you'll probably learn in short order that indecision is apt to be fatal, and that things are not always as they appear...
 
By Massad F. Ayoob is the best book for you to read and study. Back that up with Defensive Living, by Ed Lovette and Dave Spaulding.


How many shootings has this guy been in?



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Which guy?

And what does that have to do with what they have written? I have not been in a shooting either, but I have trained many people on how to avoid, and what to do if.

On second thought, perhaps those NK's shooting their 88s at our B-29 that was just trying to drop 500lb GPs presents to them as being in a shooting. :D One of my first missions was about 61 years ago this month.
 
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