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What would have happened?
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feelinlucky
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If the OAL was close enough to a 9mm length, it would probably feed into the chamber.
The 380 case is shorter than a 9mm case, and is not tapered like a 9mm. The face of the round is smaller.
If the extractor did not hold it, it would simply headspace off the rim, and the face of the round would be too far from the breech face for the firing pin to make contact with it, and nothing would have happened. It would click. You would eject it, and discover the problem.
However,
If the extractor caught and held it tight enough against the breech face, it probably would fire.
That round likely had the full powder charge crammed into that tiny 380 case. And that 380 case would not be supported adequately inside that 9mm chamber. And it would rupture. It would kaboom. And you would tear your hair and gnash your teeth.
Glad you caught it before this happened.
The 380 case is shorter than a 9mm case, and is not tapered like a 9mm. The face of the round is smaller.
If the extractor did not hold it, it would simply headspace off the rim, and the face of the round would be too far from the breech face for the firing pin to make contact with it, and nothing would have happened. It would click. You would eject it, and discover the problem.
However,
If the extractor caught and held it tight enough against the breech face, it probably would fire.
That round likely had the full powder charge crammed into that tiny 380 case. And that 380 case would not be supported adequately inside that 9mm chamber. And it would rupture. It would kaboom. And you would tear your hair and gnash your teeth.
Glad you caught it before this happened.
feelinlucky
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That doesn't look like much powder, but not knowing what kind of powder it is, that doesn't mean much. If you still have some of that ammo, you might pull another bullet and compare.
Handgunner, I worry about the quality of ALL the manufacturers these days. They're pumping it out as fast as they can in order to meet demand. New employees, faster run times, longer shifts, etc. make it imperative that we examine ALL of our ammunition closely.
And yet another reason I roll my own...
feelinlucky
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That picture right there could explain a kaboom or two here.
Yup, that was me....
They will feed fine, but not have enough recoil to operate the slide.
If you had a full 9mm charge of powder it would probably be just fine and run just fine. The .380 case is 9mmx17mm and 9mm is 9mmx19mm so yes the extractor holds the shell in place and the .380 case will not bottom out in the chamber.
I don't recommend it, but in reality I can't come up with a scary scenario of exploding barrels or anything....
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Well, if they have a manufacturers license they have the insurance to cover such things. I've receive visibly defective ammo from CCI.
feelinlucky
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Being a brass scrounger, I've found badly bulged and ruptured 380 cases that were obviously fired from a 9mm chamber. From the looks of these cases, you'd think that the shooter had to notice that something wasn't right.
Rastoff
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Not really. The .380 chamber is 2mm shorter, but the diameter is the same.
So badly bulged and ruptured .380 cases would come from firing them in a .40 or a defective gun....
My .380 rounds fit great in a 9mm barrel.
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jeffhughes
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That is not correct. The ATF does require ammo manufacturers to carry insurance.
feelinlucky
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The bullet diameter is the same between the 9mm and the 380, but the chamber diameter is quite different.
The 380 case is 2mm shorter, and the 9mm case is tapered, where the 380 is not. The diameter at the rear of the 9mm round is .394 inch. The diameter at the rear of the 380 round is .374 inch.
The 380 case is 2mm shorter, and the 9mm case is tapered, where the 380 is not. The diameter at the rear of the 9mm round is .394 inch. The diameter at the rear of the 380 round is .374 inch.
Doug M.
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I dunno either way about that, but I can assure you that no one with a brain would do commercial activity of that sort without appropriate insurance.
jeffhughes
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There are many licensed garage reloaders who go without insurance.
There are also many insured commercial reloaders who turn out a product superior to WWB etc...
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