Whatever happened to the classic role of being a "dad"?

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I thought there was something odd about the stroller that the woman staying next to us uses when I first saw it. There was a shiny bit of plastic wrapped around it that isolates the child from the elements. Perhaps that would make sense on a day when it was snowing or the rain was coming down in sheets, yet I'd see her push her son - who looks about a year old - around in it the last few days when the sun was shining and it has been around 60 degrees here in VA.

That's part of what got me thinking.

I have a one year old (well, 13 months old now) myself. I throw him up on my shoulders and let him yank on my hair to take him around. It's more convenient to just shoulder the weight than mess with a stroller. I did the same thing with his brother before him. You have to learn to duck when going in certain doors, though accidents are bound to happen a time or two. Like falling down when learning to walk, those build character.

During the winter my wife would always want me to bundle the boys up. While I'd never object to putting them in something sensible like a jacket, and perhaps a hat, I never saw the need to bundle them up like poor Ralphie (of "shoot your eye out" with the Red Ryder fame) just because it was snowing. I also never understood the idea of a paniced rush just because it was cold out, snowing a bit, or raining. Thus I'd let my two year old out with just a jacket on to play in snow and throw snowballs. When he got cold, he'd cry and run and grab me. Seemed a good system.

I also let my children go to the store wearing footy jammies. That's something that they ought enjoy while they can. When the youngest gets his face dirty, I don't always rush to clean it. He seems to delight in getting dirty when he eats (my other son is the exact opposite and cleans himself fastidiously with a napkin already). Figuring that the kid is just going to get dirty again, I'll let him dig whole heartedly into a bowl of pasta. I also let my children eat donuts since they seem to have the same metabolism I do. My youngest, Brody, seems to delight in the same treat that I loved when young - eating pats of butter from the packages at a restaurant by themselves and frosting things with butter. (I still like to frost things with butter to this day, when I'm drawing closer to 40 than I am to 30 and I'm back to wearing the same size pants that I did in college. Mmmm, butter.)

I let my kids wear boonie hats and little boots in preference to clothes from the baby Gap. Sometimes I buy their clothes from the clearance rack at Walmart. Why? Because boys at a certain age tend to ruin their clothes quickly anyway. My one year old loves cherry pie for example. He loves it so much that he'll aggressively attack pieces of it to the point that his clothes often don't even wash clean. (Once, at McDonalds, the results of his eating required not only a mop and bucket but a special caution sign. Thataboy.)

My wife hates the way I dress the kids sometimes. I found this odd because random people, usually women, would approach me and tell me how cute my children are when I was alone with them. My wife says that I make them look like little rednecks when I do something like turn a sweater into a pair of pants (you can do it) for Brody when he manages to get everything else so dirty that it has to be put in bags.

Apparently there's a reverse form of sexism that I never knew existed. As a dad, I'm told by my wife, it's okay and expected, even cute, to put boys in boots, boonie hats, jammies, etc. She claims that as a mom, people look down on her if the kids look like that, or Brody has a dirty face.

I notice that I don't see many fathers do what I do any more. They don't put their kids on their back. They're not down in the dirt unabashedly playing with little green army men with their boys. They're not letting them run around and fetch toys or sometimes break their plastic trucks tossing them around. They order apple slices and not french fries, and sometimes I see someone look askance because I'll hand my toddler a donut (I also let him drink coffee, just as I was always given coffee as a child and indeed sent to preschool with a thermos full of it since milk made me sick but black coffee was fine).

Getting tired of listening to the same Sponge Bob cartoons over and over again, I finally swapped out Liam's (the two year and change old's) DVD in the player that sits in the car to keep him amused. First it was WWE cage matches collected, which he loved even more (he loves wrestling), and then currently I simply let him watch Full Metal Jacket over and over again. He babbles back at it and always delights in the opening scenes. Since he's "speech delayed", I figured that film would also help him with his vocabularly.

I don't know that I'm supposed to do all these things, but my kids seem... more affectionate and happier than the kids that I see wrapped in plastic in jogging strollers and eating their dried apple filth. My boys will run around with dirty knees eating their donuts (and if they drop a piece and then pick it up and eat it off the floor, I don't panic). They don't seem to get sick much, and people actually tell me how patient and well behaved my children often seem.

Gradually I'm coming to wonder if many men - even those who stick around to be a part of their children's lives - know that they ought perhaps do these things. To let their children, particularly sons, get rained on, fall down in the snow and eat donuts. Then later to get them pocket knives, teach them how to build fires, char meat, and fish with a stick, some string and a paper clip.

I don't want to have a son that needs Gerber soft cheese puff out of a plastic cup meant for pudgy little fingers. I let him ride in the cart in a store eating a spare rib. He liked it so much that he sucked all the meat off the bone and then sat idly chewing the bone. (None of my kids have ever had pacifiers, only things like beef jerky to suck/gnaw on. Perhaps a good thing since I've seen kids old enough to walk and talk with pacifiers.)

I let my kids walk and run if they want to or else carry them on my back rather than using strollers. I can't imagine wrapping one of them in plastic (the lady's kid isn't sick or anything, since I later saw her smoking next to him while he was finally allowed to crawl and poke at the ground briefly).

I never thought I'd say it, let alone think it, but maybe - despite the fact that I had zero role models and make it all up as I go alone - just maybe the world needs more dad's like me.
 
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you know I am the same way, let kids be kids and support them in it, heck no need to rush them to being adults or shelter them form everything let them have some damn fun
 
I don't even have kids and I'm still down in the dirt playing with little green army men...

Gator, you are SO on the right track with these kids, and they will someday grow up to be fine young adults you can be proud of. Keep it up!
 
Gator: He's back!!

Been wondering where you were. Good to see your post, and to catch up on your activities.

Ya know, to be frank, I had my doubts about how a guy as zany as you would turn out as a dad, but, my doubts have proved groundless.

To echo your thought, yes, the world needs more dads like you. Your boys are fortunate to have you as a father. Well done! (Only another 20 - 30 years to go!)

Most excellent! :)

(And get that Dangerous Book for Boys, or whatever it is entitled. Not that you need it, but you and the boys would probably enjoy it!)
 
Except for the part about your 2 year old watching Full Metal Jacket, I couldn't agree with you more. Today's society wants young boys to be more like young girls.
 
My boys are 13 and 15, I was a daily part of their life till school started... thats when the divorce happened,
They got to be kids, but I never coddled them like I see most do.
They ate the same food, watched the same shows, were included in the same conversations... that I was.
Their mother is a career person/workaholic... and substitutes gifts for time and affection.
When they are with me... we just hang out.
We go out for drives, to the range, watch tv.movies... they are my little men.
Their mother has iron clad custody... I work on the road and am home 1 weekend a month... but the youngest still asks to move up to stay with his stepmother even tho I am away from the house usually.
Its the structure, and fact that he is treated pretty much as an equal.

As a youngster the kids got to ride on my shoulders, get tickled till they about hyperventilated, have hotwheels races...

Most kids dont get that now...


Jim
 
Good approach. I am 60 years old now. As an infant I was very thin and collicky. My mother took me to the local family doctor who said "You are too particular with him. Put him in the floor and give him a greasy meatskin to chew on." It must have worked out.
 
Common sense approach to fathering. Hands on and don't sweat the small stuff.Used to drive my wife crazy but I would tell her that if the boy says he's not cold-let him be-if he's wrong he's learned a valuable lesson. Won't put on a shirt-OK I guess it's time for the lesson on Sunburn. Experience only comes from mistakes.
I always shot straight with the kids and never puled any punches-that's what a dad is for. Moms are thee for the cuddling and sugar coating but dad has to bite the bullet and make sure they know that the world ain't Disneyland. I got a kick out of my youngest daughter when she hit 20 last month-she looked at me with a twinkle in her eye and said "Well Dad, you don't have to worry about teen pregnancy anymore". Poor thing-she also got my twisted sense of humor.
 
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Hi:
I also believe in letting boys be boys. I well remember the morning My Grandson asked me for a bowl of chocolate ice cream and a Milky Way candy bar for breakfast, which I gave him. When my Wife and Daughter came into the kitchen and observed Grandson's breakfast food, Folks you would have thought that the World was ending right outside the window the way the two girls were carrying on. My Daughter I raised as a Tomboy
as She was the only girl in a family of six brothers. She could fight, shoot, and play ball as good as any of her brothers. However: when she became a "Teenager" and discovered "Boys" she changed into a "Sissy" overnight.
Jimmy
 
Your doin' allright with your kids. They'll be the most mature, happy & un-screwed up ones in the class. When they grow up they'll look back on childhood with a big ol' smile! And you will too.

We don't always wear helmets or eyeprotection but we try to be good roll models. With guns on our hips and big grins I know we're right.

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Nice to see you posting again.

GF
 
Even with good role models, we all make it up as we go. Parenting is a netless high-wire act.

With respect to currently accepted parenting protocols...you love your sons, provide for them, teach them, and protect them. In other words, you are decidedly in the minority in this country today. To hell with anyone who looks askance at your methods.
 
i Def enjoy reading this kind of stuff. Everything these days is about what they can't have and what they need to do as parents and children. I am not a father yet but hop to be towards the end of this year. I had a great example to follow as my dad was awesome. My mom was the one who said no, took things away, and was very protective.... while my dad was the one who we had fun with. I think I have been raised very well and thanks to both of my parents, I hope to raise my children the same way!
 
Not sure if I'd want my 2 year old watching Full metal Jacket but I was watching Silence of the Lambs last night with my 4 year old...it really brought us closer together...
 
I let my kids wear boonie hats and little boots in preference to clothes from the baby Gap.

When I was a kid, you either looked like a "Buster Brown," Dennis the Menace, or Farmer Johnson's son in overalls.

I wore the overalls, and carried a pocketknife from the age of six. :D
I almost forgot, I had a wallet at that age too- still have it- and the first fifty-cent piece I ever made. :p
 
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still have it- and the first fifty-cent piece I ever made. :p

Tightwad. :D

Since my daughter was born 13 years ago, I've tried not to coddle her. That's her mother's job. We roughhouse, wrestle, tickle, etc. until we're worn out, then we snuggle on the couch and watch TV. Yes, she's a girl, and can be a girlie girl when she wants to, but I've taught her to fight while playing. I hope she never needs to, but I think she could defend herself fairly well. Plus, we've had lots of fun doing it, and it drives my MIL crazy. ;)
 
GF has always been a pretty smart guy; it shows up more nowadays...it seems to me, at least.

But please, GF, do listen to your wife when it comes to the little ones looking like rednecks...'tis not good; next thing you know they'll be rocking mullets. Now that's really not good. :eek:

IMHO, the only rules that should be steadfastly applied to kids is they should be in car seats or buckled in when big enough. Very little else they can get into will cause them irreparable harm.

Be safe.
 
Sounds like you are doing fine by me, I have 2 daughters 17 and 14 now I used to carry them on my shoulders taught them how to low crawl and box.

Sounds like your boys are just fine learning the good things early.
 
Sounds like you're doing everything OK. I'm from the old school, and believe kids should be allowed to be kids. If a butt swat is necessary, swat! - none of this "time out" BS. I cannot remember of ever hearing of ADD or Autism until the family units started breaking down. Also limit the access to those personality destroying computer games!! Keep up the good work.
 
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