When things go bad

For soldiers, gangsters, and ninjas: probably a high-cap semi-auto.

For the typical civilian for concealed carry, trail or nightstand: revolver.

I love auto vs revolver threads. Lots of re-hashed info but still fun. :)
 
With that said though, if Mr. Obama called me tonight and asked me to go on a super secret ninja mission to the dusty sandbox of Afghanistan to engage some good ol' Taliban.... I'm taking a Glock 19 with me.

Steve

Wow Steve, you're ready to go fight them nasty Taliban, bad shoulder and all eh? U da' man!

If Barry ever asks me to go on any secret mission, I'd tell him I'll go if he goes..."Don't worry Mr. P, I've got your back, dude".

I just don't want him carrying any hand grenades though...he can barely throw a baseball all the way to home plate.
 
I've put my Glocks aside for the M&P .45 I just got. It's the first Smith I've ever owned and it's a great weapon.

I'm looking to find a revolver that suits me, it seems I've had a lot less FTF with them ,and that's what counts at the end of the day.

This tupperware .45 sure is frickin' nice though, I feel confidant behind it.
 
, if Mr. Obama called me tonight and asked me to go on a super secret ninja mission to the dusty sandbox of Afghanistan to engage some good ol' Taliban.... I'm taking a Glock 19 with me.
Steve

Steve, your choice of weapons and calibers might change if you read all the internal reports on officer involved shootings with Glock 19. Fewer and fewer departments are using them. I do not know of any department that is going to the 9mm these days and am fairly sure many of those currently using them will be changing to other calibers.

One local area dept has been using the same guns since 1984 and all the officers wanted a change of caliber. Next year they get their new guns and they will be in .40cal. No more deflected bullets when hitting windshields. No more failure to penetrate car door panels. No more multiple hits being required to stop aggression. Yet the fact that there was little problem with the Glock 19 by the dept in 26 years speaks well for the gun.
 
"Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." Josey Wales

Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife and my XD-45...... OK I don't carry a Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife. It's not legal. I carry a SOG spring assist with a tanto blade.
 
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When things go bad what is the best and most reliable
Semi-auto Pistols
Revolvers
and what caliber

For most encounters as a civilian I now usually carry a revolver (a Smith model 60 in .38 Spl.). The way I see it I'm no longer kicking in doors or hunting Taliban in Afganistan. So the need for a hi-cap pistol lost it's appeal to me, that and there are times it's a pain in the kiester to carry. Not that I don't sometimes pack a 5946 in winter time.
Also I've found that when your at "bad breath" range that an auto can be pushed out of battery if you jam it into the BG! Revolvers don't have that problem, which is why I prefer them, so on some days I'll carry either a Smith m-10 or a Ruger Security Six instead of the 9mm.
I'd suggest you do some reading of the authors like Massad Ayoob, Jeff Cooper, Rex Applegate, and Charles Karwin, and get some training. It's not about the gun so much as it's the individual! Find something you like, shoot the heck out of it to make sure it's reliable, then get some training on when,& how.
Best Dale
 
BadKarma, you make an excellent point. I have a model 36 with a 3" barrel that I carry becuase it is so light. It also happens to be the fastest handgun I own to draw and fire. I think it's the old school slim grip that makes it easy to grab and pull. I have permission at the range I shoot at to practice drawing and firing (If no one else is there).
Thanks for your service to our country. I see you are Navy. If you were kicking in doors and it wasn't on a ship..... you were either a SEAL or a corpsman? My nephew was a SEAL and a doctor for the navy in Iraq.
 
Wow Steve, you're ready to go fight them nasty Taliban, bad shoulder and all eh? U da' man!

If Barry ever asks me to go on any secret mission, I'd tell him I'll go if he goes..."Don't worry Mr. P, I've got your back, dude".

I just don't want him carrying any hand grenades though...he can barely throw a baseball all the way to home plate.

Haha. I got a good laugh out of that. The handgrenade part is classic.

Steve, your choice of weapons and calibers might change if you read all the internal reports on officer involved shootings with Glock 19. Fewer and fewer departments are using them. I do not know of any department that is going to the 9mm these days and am fairly sure many of those currently using them will be changing to other calibers.

One local area dept has been using the same guns since 1984 and all the officers wanted a change of caliber. Next year they get their new guns and they will be in .40cal. No more deflected bullets when hitting windshields. No more failure to penetrate car door panels. No more multiple hits being required to stop aggression. Yet the fact that there was little problem with the Glock 19 by the dept in 26 years speaks well for the gun.

I feel comfortable with the 9mm. I know it's limitations though. I've done almost all of my training on .40 - but I don't know that I'll buy another .40. It's not a bad cartridge by any means, I've just came to the conclusion that for me personaly - go 9mm or go .45acp.

Given the very fictional situation I listed - I would probably have more discretion at ammo choice.... and it wouldn't be ball. I would probably have something of rifle caliber in my hands too... which overwhelms any handgun caliber.

I recently heard that Delta is using 9mm Glocks, but good luck proving that. I know the Sig M11 is pretty popular with many Spec Ops teams and the M11 or G19 seems to be the unanimous choices for "Contractors". The 1911 is still going strong also.

.45 makes a hell of a sidekick, but we are starting to see our biggest enemy isn't the Taliban or IEDs... its sand. That's where the Glock would shine.

As a CCW, I probably will never have the legal right to shoot through glass or car doors - but I very well may end up in law enforcement soon. I've given it a lot of thought of what caliber I would wish to be issued. From a ballistic standpoint, there's a good case for all of them.


I'd suggest you do some reading of the authors like Massad Ayoob, Jeff Cooper, Rex Applegate, and Charles Karwin, and get some training. It's not about the gun so much as it's the individual! Find something you like, shoot the heck out of it to make sure it's reliable, then get some training on when,& how.
Best Dale

Probably the most important point - training. Shot placement with effecient speed is key. I would rather take on any street thug with a .45acp than Larry Vickers with a .22lr.

For those with an interest in the development and popularity in the cartridges of .45acp, .40sw and 10mm - I would also second the notion to read up on Jeff Cooper.

Thank you for your service Dale. If you are ever interested in providing some feedback on your gear - what works and what didn't - for my company, I'd be all ears. Nothing crazy to break any sort of opsec.

Great posts on here. I really like this forum.

Steve
 
When Things Go Bad

Hi, Bong-Bong:
How do you carry your Ruger SP-101 Bug "On Duty"?




I carry a 5906TSW in the summer, a 4046TSW in the spring and fall and a 4583TSW in the winter. I like to keep things simple AND familiar. To date, I have put 15,364 rounds through my 4046 and have had ony 6 malfunctions, 5,500 through the 5906 with 0 malfunctions and 10,232 through my 4583 with only 3 malfunctions. I sold every other handgun I owned, SIG's, Kimbers and my Wilson Combat and just kept my Smith's. Sometimes I'll carry my one non-Smith off duty and that's a Ruger SP101 in .357, which is also my BUG when I'm on duty.
 
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