Where is Rick Jamison???

[ADash]

Among the modern reloading writers, Rick was about the best. He was with Shooting Times for many years, then suddenly disappeared, with no mention made in that magazine.

Does anyone know of his whereabouts? I would love it if a book could be published, consisting of reprints of his articles of the last 10-20 years. There could be some problems of who owns the copyrights, he or the magazine.

He used the highest technology equipment, such as Oehler pressure testers, chronographs, high magnification borescopes, etc. He debunked many myths about max pressure indications, etc.

Where are you, Rick???
Alan Dash

 

[ADash]

Among the modern reloading writers, Rick was about the best. He was with Shooting Times for many years, then suddenly disappeared, with no mention made in that magazine.

Does anyone know of his whereabouts? I would love it if a book could be published, consisting of reprints of his articles of the last 10-20 years. There could be some problems of who owns the copyrights, he or the magazine.

He used the highest technology equipment, such as Oehler pressure testers, chronographs, high magnification borescopes, etc. He debunked many myths about max pressure indications, etc.

Where are you, Rick???
Alan Dash

 

[Joe Kent]

Word is that he crapped in his rice bowl by suing the various gun companies for royalties over the "short mags." and "super short" cartridges. With all the Gun companies pissed at him there were not many shooting magazines wanting him on their staff. Advertisers tend not to spend money with them.

 

[n4zov]

Just Google "Rick Jamison" and you will find a ton of discussion on this topic.

 

[Wickahoney]

With any luck, rotting in a little corner of his personal Hell, that he made all by himself.

RWT

 

[RidgwayCO]

Yea, how dare he try to protect his intellectual property? Just who does he think he is anyway? (/s off)

 

[pbslinger]

Yea, how dare he try to protect his intellectual property? Just who does he think he is anyway? (/s off)

The concensus is that he should have never gotten the patent, since it wasn't an original idea. The patent office apparently gives patents too freely without enough research.

 

[RidgwayCO]

But he DID have a patent, correct? Legally granted by the US Patent Office?

We can debate endlessly whether or not the patent "should" have been granted. None of us (as far as I know) has the power to change that decision. But I do know that if you don't defend your patent against infringements, then it becomes worthless.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do believe in intellectual property rights. Especially when an individual is going up against a large corporation.

And when a corporation can have an individual "black-listed" from their profession, that's just plain wrong.

 

[dennis40x]

Originally posted by RidgwayCO:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do believe in intellectual property rights. Especially when an individual is going up against a large corporation.

And when a corporation can have an individual "black-listed" from their profession, that's just plain wrong.

+1

 

[Paul5388]

Originally posted by RidgwayCO:
But he DID have a patent, correct? Legally granted by the US Patent Office?

We can debate endlessly whether or not the patent "should" have been granted. None of us (as far as I know) has the power to change that decision. But I do know that if you don't defend your patent against infringements, then it becomes worthless.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do believe in intellectual property rights. Especially when an individual is going up against a large corporation.

And when a corporation can have an individual "black-listed" from their profession, that's just plain wrong.

+1

 

[RufusG]

but I do believe in intellectual property rights. Especially when an individual is going up against a large corporation.

Kinda funny in that light how he went after mom and pop custom gunsmiths chambering WSMs but not Remington for the RSAUMs. Seems more of a personal thing than a legal one.

 

[Frank237]

I'm out of the loop with the whole situation. How did it end up?

FN in MT

 

[41]

I liked him because he took a scientific view of things and did a lot of experiments to determine the end results. That had to cost him a lot of money out of his own pocket.

41

 

[Wickahoney]

Apparently I'm an old fart. The Short Mags and Jamisons cases based on the Jeffery and Rigby cases were nothing new.

Read the PO Ackley books. There is very very little NEW in reloading. The only reason they worked different or offered anything new this time around was that there were powders avaialable that hadn't origanaly existed when first designed.

THe 25-06 was wildcatted about 20 minutes after the 30-06 was introduced. It just didn't work all that well as a overbore case till the advent of the slow burning powders. There was a point in time when IMR 3031 was "slow"

Rick owned a Oehler chronograph with the strain gauge. Writing about guns and reloading was his job and thse would seem to be just work materials to me. My excuse for owning the same equipment is that I'm a tinkerer. Yes, he took a slightly more scientific approach than Elmer or Jack.

What the heck did he think was going to happen when he attacked the industry that was resposable for him being employed? Certainly he has the right to protect/enforce his rights.

By the same token doesn't Winchester, Remington etc have the right to decide who they want to spend their advertising dollars with?

RWT

 

[dennis40x]

The patent gives Jamison legal standing. The problematic issue is patent infringement. Can the patent holder prove infringement and if so the patent holder must have deep pockets to absorb the legal fees associated with litigation. This is especially true of an individual versus a corporate entity.

One may say and rightfully so that as examples Remington & Winchester may spend their advertising dollars where they see fit. By doing so they in effect deprived Jamison of his firearms writing career. The message was certainly clear to his employer or perspective employer.

Who is perceived to be right or wrong in this issue? From the replies so far it's dependent on ones view point. Having patents issued in the United States and South Africa I see it some what differently than others.

As always let us simply agree to disagree and maintain a semblance cordiality.

 

[pbslinger]

Those that think any patent obtained, or all court decisions fair and just, have you at least read the patent?

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Se...amison&RS=IN/jamison


I don't know when the Lazzaroni Patriot was released, but it appears nearly identical to the 300 Short Mag.

http://www.lazzeroni.com/ct_reload_patriot.htm

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story...chester+Short+Magnum

Here is a Chuck Hawks article about the lawsuit saying the Lazzaroni cartridge precedes the WSM:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/column18_death_short_magnums.htm

Her is an article on the Lazzaroni cartridges that were being shot in 2001:

http://www.lazzeroni.com/pdf/6723_eprint.pdf

 

[dennis40x]

The nettlesome aspect is Jamison was issued a patent by the United States Patent Office. Right wrong or indifferent the patent was issued so therefore has standing until disputed otherwise. That point can't be ignored.

 

[RufusG]

Originally posted by dennis40x:
The nettlesome aspect is Jamison was issued a patent by the United States Patent Office. Right wrong or indifferent the patent was issued so therefore has standing until disputed otherwise. That point can't be ignored.

You are absolutely correct. That can't be ignored.

But what also can't be ignored is that for the hundred previous years, people who named new cartridges, which after all are nothing more than a set of dimensions with absolutely no new technology involved, didn't expect to be able to reach into the pocket of everyone chambering their baby.

Maybe he convinced himself that he was special, but the logic is apparently lost on a lot of others, myself included.

He felt wronged because he took his idea to Winchester, they said no thanks, they brought out WSMs instead of JSMs. I have no idea if Winchester was working on the idea independently or not, and don't really care.

Maybe they screwed him, maybe they didn't. I'm not saying Winchester is without blame in all this. But what did he think was going to happen when he sued?

Sure, he had a LEGAL right to do so. Whether he had any MORAL right to do so is where the disagreements on this issue arise.

 

[Paul5388]

Whispers®: A wide range of calibers encompass the 'Whisper®' series of cartridges. A "Whisper®" cartridge must be capable of sub-sonic extreme accuracy with very heavy bullets for its caliber; i.e. 240 grains in 30, as well as moderate to high velocity while maintaining excellent accuracy with light bullets for the caliber; i.e. 125 at 2300 FPS in 30. The 300 Whisper® was the first of the series, and, contrary to what you may have read about it, the fact of the matter is the cartridge was designed as a multi-purpose cartridge from the beginning. Its design parameters, in addition to the ballistics quoted above, were that it must be capable of being used in the AR-15/M-16 family of rifles, Contenders and bolt action rifles as well as being easily suppressed. I know that because I invented it.

Maybe J.D. Jones used a different process to "invent" a cartridge from an existing case?

While it's true there have been others, like the .284, with a rebated rim, it does seem there's the rebated rim situation in the WSMs that may have actually involved more than resizing and may constitute "invention" with a subsequent patent being issued.

 

[ChuckS1]

This is why we have patent attorneys...