WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER

[BAM-BAM]

Conventional wisdom for the past 40 years has been to go centerfire over rimfire..........that said........

will any auto cycle if the muzzle is in contact with the target?

My "guess' is that a .22magnum out of a sub 4-6" barrel is just a lot of flash and blast vs. a .22lr.

I've wonder how well someone can cock and fire those micro/mini-revolvers under stress..........once let alone multiple (4-5?) times.


The target for either is ....IMHO... in the eye socket, up the nose or in the ear...............bounce around inside the skull.........

Would I rather have a good 4" knife at .22/.25 range ?????....... no reloads needed ...... just keep stabbing/slashing

 

[bigggbbruce]

I second the 22 Magnum..

 

[STCM(SW)]

The 22 Mag has my vote but try cocking a SA small revolver .
Plus the one I had was back three times for failing parts....
Now, nothing but a .380 DA auto has my vote as minimum.
Do not CC of any of them now.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Let's go with ballistics.

2" barrel both examples:

Wiki sez a .25 acp can do 1100 fps with a 30 grain bullet

Ballistics by the inch sez .22 magnum can do 962 fps with a 30 grain Hornady Vmax but can get 1114 fps with 25 gr Hornady NTX.

That gives a miniscule advantage to the .25 acp over the .22 magnum.

Since my philosophy is not to depend on a one shot stop with ANY cartridge/gun combination I would think that a triple tap or more with either one of these would probably hurt somebody.

PS: A .22 killed Robert Kennedy, but was probably close or even pressed to his head.

PPS: I didn't realize that he was shot three times, but it was the one in the head that did it. Sirhan kept firing the gun while Rosy Grier muscled him against a steam table. Being a .22 they hoped the damage would not be that bad until they saw the hole in his head.

I read different. Wiki says a 30gr 22 mag 2300 fps and 322 fp of energy. Compared to a 35gr 25ACP at 1100 fps and 94 fp of energy. That's a big difference.

 

[scootergirl69]

At the risk of getting in a peeing contest re .22 vs .25.....I believe more people have been shot and killed with a .22 than with any other caliber.

 

[Gamecock]

WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE

Since neither is likely to be effective, the idea of 'more' doesn't work here.

 

[P&R Fan]

I think Col. Cooper summed it up best about the .25 ACP. He said if you have one, don't carry it. If you carry it, don't load it. If you load it, don't shoot anybody with it. If you do, you may hit them, and that may cause them to get very angry.
Or something to that effect.
Jim

 

[Lt JL]

I carried a 1903 Colt vest Pocket 25 as a hideout for many years. I carried it in my hip pocket behind my badge wallet. I have posted elsewhere about the time I used it. I have seen many a sassy bandit, as Gus McCrae would say, killed deader than a mackeral with 22s and 25s, especially back in the days of Jennings, Davis, Bryco, and Raven.

 

[bigggbbruce]

The 22 Mag has my vote but try cocking a SA small revolver .

Well that's what you do to fire one..

Want some cheese to go with the whine..

 

[rwsmith]

That's with the long barrel

I read different. Wiki says a 30gr 22 mag 2300 fps and 322 fp of energy. Compared to a 35gr 25ACP at 1100 fps and 94 fp of energy. That's a big difference.

If you go down to the 2" barrel I believe it matches what I said.

It wouldn't fair to compare a rifle barrel with a 2".

And a pocket revolver with a 24" barrel would make your walk a little suspicious.

 

[STCM(SW)]

Well that's what you do to fire one..

Want some cheese to go with the whine..

See where you didn't quote that the thing broke parts several times.....

No wine, just scotch for me please.....

 

[rwsmith]

Probably....

At the risk of getting in a peeing contest re .22 vs .25.....I believe more people have been shot and killed with a .22 than with any other caliber.

The .22 has been so popular as a civilian gun it doesn't surprise me that a LOT of people have been shot by them. It would be good to know the ratio of shots:kills with the .22 and the .25 acp.

 

[alwslate]

Some gunwriters just love to pick on the .25 acp and compare 2" 25
data to 22 data from a 6" revolver barrel. In guns of the same size,
like small autos with barrels of 2" or slightly greater length there is no
comparison. The 25 easily wins. One reason is that the 25 is loaded
with fast burning pistol powder while the optimal barrel length for
22 ammo is around 18-20". Reliability of feeding and ignition favors
the 25 and the standard 50 gr fmj gives better penetration than the
22 loads. Despite the stories of failures there have been countless
instances of one shot kills with the 25 acp with it's standard 50 gr
bullet.

 

[robertrwalsh]

The point of a SD gun is not to kill the other guy, it is to keep the other guy from killing you. Both are lethal. Neither is quickly lethal without a CNS hit. Both have many instances of people being wounded with them, even fatally wounded, and not realizing they had been hit until hours later. You can afford to shoot a .22lr more so maybe you can get better with it, but IMHO the .25 is more reliable. You pay your money and you take your chances.

 

[Arik]

At the risk of getting in a peeing contest re .22 vs .25.....I believe more people have been shot and killed with a .22 than with any other caliber.

That's deceiving. If 22 is the most used then it will have the most effectiveness on paper. It can be done in reverse too. If one shot resulted in one kill from a 25acp one could say that the 25acp is 100% one shot stop.

 

[Gamecock]

As either caliber is unlikely to physically compel an assailant to stop, you will be dependent on psychology for a stop.

The fact that you have a gun, and the assailant sees you have a gun, the more likely they are to decide to stop. Size matters. A big gun will have more deterrent than a small gun. I've never seen a big .25.

If we are comparing similar size guns - a 22 mag the size of a .25 - I believe it will come down to flash/bang affect to achieve a stop. As I have never shot either, I don't know which would be louder/flashier. I would guess the little .22 mag, as it will have extra powder to burn beyond the short barrel.

Can anyone speak from experience on the comparative flash/bang from these two?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

.22 magnum.

If nothing else, the noise will scare the bad guy away.

 

[kraynky]

I used to own a Beretta .25 Jetfire, with the flip up barrel. It was a neat pistol, but the slide would eat a hole in the web of your shooting hand. The "flash/bang" from it was not too terrible, but back in the day there were few choices for ammo. I moved it around in the safe so much that i finally sold it to get it out of the way.

Now I own, and carry, one of the little NAA revolvers in .22 magnum. It's is very seldom the only weapon I have on me, but sometimes it is. I do know that the report from it is quite a bit louder than the .25 was, and I can actually hit with it better. However, they do take some practice to hit anything beyond say, 15'-20'. I can also tell you that in my "backyard water jug" testing, the magnum comes out on top of the .25 caliber. At least feel like I am armed when it's in my pocket. But usually there is a .38 or 9 mm around just for backup.

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

I cannot agree that modern rimfire is more reliable. I have had many more duds than in the past.

In the past 5 years we have filled a quart jar with .22 that did not ignite, all with great rim crushes. Not one .25.

 

[bigggbbruce]

See where you didn't quote that the thing broke parts several times.....

The 22 Mag has my vote but try cocking a SA small revolver .
Plus the one I had was back three times for failing parts....

There ya' go.. and some extra cheese for the extra whine..