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[nawilson]

Frankly, I don't find the argument "I don't see people lining up to get shot with a 22/25/380/9mm" to be very persuasive.

If that is your stance, then you should logically a) argue that a pellet gun is an acceptable self defense weapon, or b) let me shoot you a few times with a pellet gun. I, for one, have no desire to be shot with anything including a 22, a pellet gun, a rubber band, or a spit ball. I don't think that makes them acceptable to defend hearth and home though.

 

[seagill]

A silly argument indeed! I have some pretty nasty blowgun darts that I surely don't want to be shot with, doesn't mean I'd use them to defend my home.

Any volunteers?

 

[GKC]

That's sorta like the question, would you rather die by hanging or electrocution? My answer is NEITHER! I want to die of over-exertion at the Playboy mansion!

In all seriousness, I think the issue of what one might want to get shot with is not a consideration in selecting a defensive weapon. The question should be, what do you want to shoot a bad guy with? Assuming you have to shoot, you want to shoot the most effective round you can manage. If all you have at the moment is a .22, then it is better than nothing...but even though I wouldn't want to get shot with a .22, it is not my choice to use for self-defense.

Of course, you can take it to ridiculous extremes...for example, would you rather get shot in the butt with a .45 or in the head with a .22? Again, NEITHER!

 

[Ron H.]

Frankly, I don't find the argument "I don't see people lining up to get shot with a 22/25/380/9mm" to be very persuasive.

If that is your stance, then you should logically a) argue that a pellet gun is an acceptable self defense weapon, or b) let me shoot you a few times with a pellet gun. I, for one, have no desire to be shot with anything including a 22, a pellet gun, a rubber band, or a spit ball. I don't think that makes them acceptable to defend hearth and home though.

Sir, you've pretty much nailed it. It's an unconvincing argument because it's fatuous. No one wants to get shot, no matter what with. Doesn't stop people from using it as a point of argument, though.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.

 

[Engineer1911]

Any body want to get hit with a shovel? It would make an 'impression'.

 

[mkk41]

Mouse gun or hand cannon , shot plavement still counts. The latest American Rifleman has a piece in The Armed Citizen of a home intruder killed with a single shot from a .22. There've been news articles about 135lb dusters or crack heads being shot 5-6-7 times with a .45 and running away.

 

[venomballistics]

they all can kill, thats what they are designed to do.
that isnt the underlining question of a defensive gun. what is, is how quickly it can do its job.
a fatal chest wound from a 22 often will leave the perp time to show you how it inflict some more fatal wounds.
this isnt as likely with a big boy caliber

 

[USAF385]

Years ago (when I was about 7) my sister asked me to hold our dog off to the side while she was practicing batting with softballs. He was out in our yard with her and was wandering around like dogs like to do, so she wanted him out of harms way.

I took him off to the side of her and sat to watch her hit. The very next ball she hit was a line drive foul ball right to my face. Knocked me on my back and by the time she got me inside my eye was swollen shut. Man that hurt!

Long story short: today I keep a softball by my bed at night because I sure as heck wouldn't line up to be hit with one again!

 

[DeadAye]

they all can kill, thats what they are designed to do.
that isnt the underlining question of a defensive gun. what is, is how quickly it can do its job.
a fatal chest wound from a 22 often will leave the perp time to show you how it inflict some more fatal wounds.
this isnt as likely with a big boy caliber

Sure, but a 22LR thru an eye and into a brain is pretty much a sure thing ----
SHOT PLACEMENT doesn't always mean the chest!

Oh yeah - Unless you're armed with a Contender (or similar) -- If it's still coming at you keep shooting!

 

[Kanewpadle]

Heck, I'm pretty good with a slingshot.

But in all seriousness, any caliber can kill. But is that caliber effective enough to change the bad guys channel?

We each have to work out our own salvation. And caliber is but one part of the equation.

 

[venomballistics]

Sure, but a 22LR thru an eye and into a brain is pretty much a sure thing ----
SHOT PLACEMENT doesn't always mean the chest!

Oh yeah - Unless you're armed with a Contender (or similar) -- If it's still coming at you keep shooting!

in the context .. that 22 is most often a pocket pistol small enough to get lost in the resident lint ... Im thinking that ideal eyeball hit is a tall order when you need it .. thus the chest reference

 

[sigp220.45]

I agree its a specious argument, but it is usually offered in response to some equally goofy statement that caliber X or load Y is totally useless for self defense and couldn't kill a hamster.

Anyone who thinks any hot spinning piece of metal through your plumbing isn't a game changer hasn't seen many dead people.

I think a Beretta 950 in .22 short would get you through 90 percent of self defense situations.

That said, I still carry a .45 full of big fat hollowpoints. A lot can happen in that other 10 percent.

 

[michael thornton]

i have heard that you can kill anything with a bb gun if you keep shooting it in the same spot?

 

[Fishslayer]

That's sorta like the question, would you rather die by hanging or electrocution? My answer is NEITHER! I want to die of over-exertion at the Playboy mansion!

...when I'm 95!


That or get shot by a jealous prom date.

 

[ancient-one]

I don't even want shot by a regular BB gun. They cause painful results.
I was about 12 years old and had a friend who was a couple of years older. His Dad ran a hardware store(this was back in the days when they were your main source for all guns and ammo) and we were allowed to field test new styles of BB gun that came in.
We were shooting one that my friend did not think was shooting hard enough and his last famous words were " it's not shooting hard enough to even sting".
He walked out about 15 feet and bent over and said shoot me. I did and there was a lot of jumping around and moaning going on. As soon as he calmed down we pulled his overalls down and there was the nicest welt. It was shaped like a minature volcano, perfect circle of high rough ridge with a deep indentation in the middle. The skin was not penetrated but was very red around a half dollar sized area.
Needless to say our field testing never again included shoot me in the butt.

 

[Rule3]

I think the argument or statement is any gun is better than no gun.
The ballistic arguments are endless. A 45 ACP is too small, you need a rifle. No you need a shotgun etc, etc

A .380 is to small. Well Sir it's actually a 9mm Kurz. Oh well in that case that's OK.

 

[gregintenn]

I can't argue with "a 22 on you is better than a 44 back home in the safe."

 

[venomballistics]

I think the argument or statement is any gun is better than no gun.
The ballistic arguments are endless. A 45 ACP is too small, you need a rifle. No you need a shotgun etc, etc

A .380 is to small. Well Sir it's actually a 9mm Kurz. Oh well in that case that's OK.

nah .. the ballistics argument ends with the ideal arms description being of 155MM caliber, easily carried and fired, belt fed, and select fire. A premium version would also have the ability to call in airstrikes.
anything short of this is a compromise to include even a 50 cal browning.
I dont foresee such a weapon evolving due to those pesky laws of physics

 

[oldman45]

i have heard that you can kill anything with a bb gun if you keep shooting it in the same spot?

I can think of two cases I worked this statement brings to mind.

A 13 yr old girl was shot once in the sternum with a bb gun. She was carried to the hospital and her mother was notified of the incident. Her mother was slow to go there since it was a bb gun. By the time she got to the hospital, the girl had died. The bb gun was a lever action Daisy and not a pump up type.

Another case is where a teenage boy, I believe he was 16, that was shot in the neck by a Benjamin pump. He bled to death before the ambulance arrived.

So I suppose any projectile can kill someone. That said, I have seen people killed with about every caliber out there and I will continue to carry and use my .45acp because when I shoot someone, I want them dead instantly. Those I have seen shot with a .45 in the chest region generally fell dead at the time of the shooting.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

This is better than a bear thread