Why BLM Grazing is Important

Colokeb

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I would like to add my two cents about grazing rights.
I own a small dry ranch but am not farming.... but I do grow 1 1/2 acres of hay at my residence to trade for beef.

The Western ranchers have to grow hay in order to feed their cattle during the winter season. The hay magically causes baby calves to appear in March.

The hay is grown on irrigated bottomlands near rivers or lands in canal-irrigated areas.

Cows can NOT be in the green grass while it is growing because (1) they would eat it and have nothing for the winter. (2) They would trample the grass and destroy it into mud.

The Ranchers have to have a place to put the cows during the hay-grow season. They can't grow enough hay in the summer to feed both for summer and winter. The government owns almost all the western land that wasn't homesteaded 140 years ago. The homesteaded land (private land) was almost always near water. The government land is almost always nearly dry, or it is in the mountains, and might be wet and green in the summer, but inaccessible in the winter. Nothing to eat there in the winter. Good for fall elk and deer hunting, and snowmobiling in the winter. Sometimes has gold or silver. Or Fish. The cattle are herded or trucked to the mountains once the snow is mostly gone, graze all summer, then they are rounded up in the fall and put back on land owned by the ranch after the hay has been cut and baled.

Most ranches depend on growing hay in the summer, and herding the cows to the BLM allotments which run with the land. You can't "start" a new ranch and have much chance of ever getting in on a BLM permit. They are all taken. Sometimes ranchers sell their water to California, close the ranch business, subdivide , and thus allow more folks to come into California thru a process called legal immigration. In this case a permit might become available.

Ranchers can't make it by buying outside feed. Yes, some ranchers just grow hay, but if you look carefully that business can't stand alone. They also teach school, work at a business, guide the hunters, or collect a pension. A large portion of hay ground is leased out.

Western irrigated land costs $5,000-10,000 an acre. Then there is equipment, fertilizer, fuel and labor. If an acre yields 120 bales, the net after expenses is maybe $2 bucks x 120.

Once the BLM / Environmentalists remove the grazing permit, the rest of the cattle ranch is economically worthless. As opposed to the old days where the BLM / Forest Service was the rancher's friend, today many of the government folks fall in two categories. Heavily armed swat uniformed, not like Smokey Bear helpin' you find some fishing or a camping spot, or because they went to EnviroWackJob university, they just want to keep everybody or thing off Their Land.

Land permitting is not the case in California or the Pacific Northwest as their winters are mild enough that grass grows all year, and the ranchers rotate the cows. In the Midwest, the product is milk which is worth more, there is more rain, and the soil is much more fertile.

To the Western Rancher, the grazing permit is akin to ammo for the Winchester.
 
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Colokeb. I appreciate your explanation of how the BLM lands are alloted, for use...BUT...I didn't see in your thread, of what happens if the rancher who has been paying for the allotments, fails to pay....

The allotments are not grandfathered in forever, to a family name, to be handed down from generation to the next generation. If that were the case, then Los Angles would probably still belong to the Jesuits.

I do not have the specifics as to the length of time a allotment is for. But I am quite sure it is not until the end of time.

Also, as far as gaining a permit for use of...it would also depend on the land in question...I.E. USDA..(Forest Service) permits for logging would be quite different, than Dept of Interior (BLM) range lands.

Once upon a time. in a far away place. I used to fly for the Dept of Interior, and sub'd out from time to time to the Dept of Ag (Forrest Service). I would fly over the BLM land and look for miners to were poaching for gold. Panning in the dry streams, or using bulldozers to scrape, and then using water wagons and a dredge for a sluce box. Or look for cattle that had escaped, the allotted areas, and were loose on the range. Sometimes it was looking for those crossing and running around in the desert on their 4 wheelers, tearing up the dessert. When spotted, I would call in to the sheriff's dept their location. Without the permit...That's a No..No.


WuzzFuzz
 
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BLM grazing leases are renewed annually. We have a couple of parcels that are totally surrounded by our private property. We have been leasing the land since the grazing act went into effect back in (I think) in 1936. One parcel is a separate pasture and is a full section, (640 acres) and we are allowed 10 head on it for the summer.

I would probably relinquish the lease, but I don't want the gummin't selling it to some a-rab or chinaman.:cool:
 
It's certainly true that some of the extreme anti- ranch groups have a policy of no grazing on public land. But most of us are generally in favor of the grazing. But the ranchers must follow the rules. We are still in a drought here in NM. That means the open range carrying capacity has gone down. So the lessees have all most likely been told to reduce their herds. The cattle population in NM is Lower than it has been for years. The ranchers who own some or all of their range have lowered their herd sizes. We just don't have the grass to support the cows we had a few years ago.
I know some folks who raise primo hay on some of the best irrigated land in the state. I asked George about 2-3 years ago now, how much he was getting for hay. I think he said $12 a bale. I said Holy ****, how can anybody pay that? He said, These horse people are crazy. His top line hay had long surpassed what a cattleman could afford.
Yes, the ranches who can irrigate and raise hay are in a good position. As the number of cows go down, the price of beef goes up.
 
Agree with The Pilgrim.
We are in a continuing drought in SE Wyoming, and have been for over 10 years.
We summer yearling heifers on 45,000 privately owned acres. We have been forced to reduce the numbers from 2500 head in 2000 to 225 last summer.

The profits on that number of cattle don't buy many S&Ws. Got to keep this S&W related don'tcha know...:cool: If we make a $100.00 profit per head on those cattle, we figger we're in tall cotton.:(

The drastic reduction of herds due to the drought, numbers of cattle killed in storms this winter, the diversion of corn to produce ethanol gasoline, and urban encroachment have all had a detrimental effect on cattle numbers and prices.

Cattle numbers are down to levels not seen since the 1950's. The population and consumption has increased considerably since then.

Beef is gonna be higher than a cat's back for the next few years as beef producers try to rebuild their herds.
 
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"Tall cotton" in Wyoming, Where??????:eek::D:D

If'n all meat prices keep this up, I'll be the one grazing on alfalfa..

I've already been put out to pasture:(


WuzzFuzz
 
Iggy,

Down here in Texas (another drought area) they say 7 years to rebuild the herds. Until then the price will be high assuming the drought does not come back again (and I think it will).
 
What with the high cost to maintain herd numbers with replacement heifers,
bull rotation costs, fuel, equipment, increased labor cost, grazing fees/pasture leases and higher property taxes on deeded lands....

A couple of years ago, I said the hell with it.....Let em eat cake!


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Iggy-I'll take over the lease for that 640 acres. Declare myself a native born American get tribal status and build me a casino.:D
I'd get my seed money from logging all the timber off it.;)
 
I knew I had read it somewhere....This is a pretty long article about grazing on federal owned land. Some of it's history. What states have the most federally owned land, and some of which state owned lands are held out for such.

I'll have to get to doing some more reading and looking, to see what was put in the new farm bill that addresses the fees charged for use of range lands owned by the Feds.

When this Senator from Nebraska was running for the Senate seat, I guess it was a pretty hot topic, because she and her husband had been leasing land that was pretty much under priced, compared to state land.

The federal grazing fees debate explained - Omaha.com

This is the fees to be charged this year.

BLM and Forest Service Announce 2014 Grazing Fee

I won't go into to it on this thread about whether the fellow out in Nevada, who hasn't paid any fees for over 20 years. That can either be further discussed on the other thread, or a new thread started.






WuzzFuzz
 
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Iggy-I'll take over the lease for that 640 acres. Declare myself a native born American get tribal status and build me a casino.:D
I'd get my seed money from logging all the timber off it.;)

Hey, Caj,

We got a bridge that runs above the pasture poodle village over to the Butch Cassidy,Sundance Kid Train robbery site and then to the dinosaur diggins we'd sell you. Otherwise you ain't got any tourist attractions to draw in them big money gamblers.
:rolleyes::D

You're probably gonna have to run a pipeline to the town of Medicine Bow about 5 miles away at $1500.00 per foot to get water as there ain't any there and durn little hope of finding any. The onlyest water is on a section of State land adjacent to your new acquisition and I got it leased. There's an intermittent spring on it that gits a gallon of water an hour. It will water them 10 head of cattle most of the time.

Your casino is gonna have to have one heck a fancy out house out back to take care of them high rollers too.
Let me know!!!!!!!
 
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I know where Butch was brought up about 35 miles from us near Circleville. The empty cabin still stands. To the west of us about 45 miles is the Mountain Meadows massacre site. On my wife's side of the family she is now related to both John Doyle Lee that was executed for his part in it, and now my stepdaughter is married to a descendent of one of the saved orphans.
Utah doesn't allow gambling in any form. Some factions here dont mind owning casinos elsewhere though. I wouldn't mind running one if ya all pitch in. We could build one across the state line. Pioche has a few old bars with slots. I think we could start off with some black jack tables, they dont have none there. I think we could muscle in.
Pioche - Nevada Ghost Town
 
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