Why does S&W still make the SD/ SV series?

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Not trying to argumentative, only curious.

With the success and price point of the M&P series, why does S&W continue to market the SD/Sv series? I acknowledge SD/ SV series is less expensive but is that the only reason?

I find it interesting that S&W has 2 distinct lines of full size polymer striker fired hand guns. Off the top of my head, don't know another manufacturer that continues to produce 2 separate lines like S&W does.
 
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The SD/SV series was derived from the Sigma, and the tooling has been paid for several times over by now. For those who a good gun at less than the M & P price structure (who might look to another manufacturer) it makes perfect sense to keep making them.
 
It's money. Depending on the deal one finds you are talking a $150-200. Pretty significant. For me it was the difference between owning a firearm and not. Yes I could have bought used but I didn't.


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Sig has at least two different poly lines. It's probably just for a better price point. I also think CZ does now with the release of the 10c. And H&K.

Friends don't let friends buy Taurus.
 
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As long as they sell them they will make them. When I got my first pistol I went to a local range and rented a SIG SP2022 9mm. It is a great pistol.
I got a SD9VE for about $100 - $150 less. It runs flawless, is more accut=rate than I was, reliable and is a S&W.
A few years later I got a CPO P229 .40 for twice the price of the SD. But I'll never sell the SD9VE.
Eventually gifting it to one of the grand kids when they're at age and interested in shooting.
Was even thinking to get one of the new released ones (with a black slide and fiber optic sights).
 
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Ruger still makes the SR series along side the American pistols. They made the P- series well into SR production, too.
 
Even Walther makes different lines of the same size gun to service different market segments.

If S&W didn't make the SD/SV, then they would be ignoring the "economy entry" market. When non-gun people look for a first/only gun, price point is a key consideration. If you capture that initial buy, then any of those folks who wish to buy another gun will look favorably at other S&W products.

If they didn't provide something for that market segment, then they would be giving away potential customers to the competition, both in first-time buyers and follow-on sales.
 
Academy has them, and a lot of newbies home in on the price (or so it seems, as I spend a lot of time there with some friends who work the gun counter).

Otherwise they would be buying Taurus.
 
Even Walther makes different lines of the same size gun to service different market segments.

If S&W didn't make the SD/SV, then they would be ignoring the "economy entry" market. When non-gun people look for a first/only gun, price point is a key consideration. If you capture that initial buy, then any of those folks who wish to buy another gun will look favorably at other S&W products.

If they didn't provide something for that market segment, then they would be giving away potential customers to the competition, both in first-time buyers and follow-on sales.

This is very true, but I also think as in my case, people want to have a few different guns available in the house. I have several other firearms, but wanted a "backup" 9mm in case any thing went wrong with my EDC had. I had a SW9, so I traded it in on the SD9VE when I started having some problems I could not find parts for repairs. It was used and the cost of sending it S&W and paying for repairs was just was not feasible compared to buying a new SD9VE.
 
Because S&W is in the business to make money! :rolleyes:
Seriously, S&W has a winner here. They know that the average Joe can't afford a high $$$ handgun, so they make/sell the SD-SDVE series at an average Joe's price. ;)
 
Currently a SD9VE costs $250-$300 for a basic reliable pistol. Nothing fancy, just functional. It is also $100-$150 less than a M&P. That a lot of change for some and that low cost allows them to buy a quality firearm. The SD9VE is the equivalent of the old Model 10 fixed sight revolver.

For me, I bought a SD9VE as the proverbial "truck" gun. Mine is 100% reliable and saves the finish on my other "nicer" pistols.
 
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Currently a SD9VE costs $250-$300 for a basic reliable pistol. Nothing fancy, just functional. It is also $100-$150 less than a M&P. That a lot of change for some and that low cost allows them to buy a quality firearm. The SD9VE is the equivalent of the old Model 10 fixed sight revolver.



For me, I bought a SD9VE as the proverbial "truck" gun. Mine is 100% reliable and saves the finish on my other "nicer" pistols.



Just bought the sd40ve last night because of the price and now just waiting on the damn state to say I can have it


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Currently a SD9VE costs $250-$300 for a basic reliable pistol. Nothing fancy, just functional. It is also $100-$150 less than a M&P. That a lot of change for some and that low cost allows them to buy a quality firearm. The SD9VE is the equivalent of the old Model 10 fixed sight revolver.

For me, I bought a SD9VE as the proverbial "truck" gun. Mine is 100% reliable and saves the finish my other "nicer" pistols.

Hardly the equivalent to a model 10. The SD has one of the worst triggers in the history of handguns while the K frames have always had smooth, crisp actions. I had an SD as my "truck gun" and I finally got rid of it because the trigger pull was so horrendous. One positive thing about the SD is that it saved me a ton of money in ammunition because I hated shooting that thing. I traded the SD for a used 4006 (my new truck gun) and I couldn't be happier.
 
Why not just get a aftermarket trigger and spring kit and still be under the $500 mark


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I put an Apex kit in mine and it went from being stiff and vague to mushy and vague. Still terrible, just different.
 
I wish they felt that way...

I wish they felt that way about the third gens. :(

But, as pointed out above, it very unlikely that it could be made profitable. Um.......How about some 'special runs', though?
 
They sell. I don't understand why people carry expensive pistols. If something happens the police are probably going to take it from you. My SD and the $30 worth of upgrades wouldn't break my heart if I ended up having to use it and it were "impounded".
 
Hardly the equivalent to a model 10. The SD has one of the worst triggers in the history of handguns while the K frames have always had smooth, crisp actions. I had an SD as my "truck gun" and I finally got rid of it because the trigger pull was so horrendous. One positive thing about the SD is that it saved me a ton of money in ammunition because I hated shooting that thing. I traded the SD for a used 4006 (my new truck gun) and I couldn't be happier.

I understand your point. Poor word choice on my part- I probably should have said the same "concept" as a Model 10- basic, reliable, functional, no frills.

I'll agree that my SD9VE's trigger is different that any of my K frames, including my two Model 10s. Yes, the trigger on my SD9VE has a plasticy feel compared to the more crisp feel of a K frame trigger. But the plasticy feel is much less noticeable if one just pulls through as if shooting a DAO revolver. And the pull weight is similar between my SD9VE and my un altered M10.

And I agree with Nimbly.
 
Why do people state that this is a "truck gun." Why don't they just say it's a less expensive carry gun? Truck gun sounds so "REDNECK-ISH." :D

Also I never could understand using the term "truck gun" to represent a gun you just have , but not one you really trust. If that is what they have...I do not want to ride with them.
 
For me, I bought a SD9VE as the proverbial "truck" gun. Mine is 100% reliable and saves the finish on my other "nicer" pistols.
Why do people state that this is a "truck gun." Why don't they just say it's a less expensive carry gun? Truck gun sounds so "REDNECK-ISH." :D
Also I never could understand using the term "truck gun" to represent a gun you just have , but not one you really trust. If that is what they have...I do not want to ride with them.
I don't see the SD9VE (SD for "self-defense", VE for "value edition") as a really good concealed carry gun or as a gun that its owner can't really trust. :confused: I believe S&W's target market is mainly home and personal defense, and for that it is adequate if it's all you can afford.

I've always understood "truck gun" to mean an inexpensive, easily replaceable gun that you wouldn't really mind terribly if it got a little banged-up, dirty or even stolen (like stolen out of your truck). I don't recall anything about a "truck gun" having to be unreliable or untrustable. :confused: That doesn't make sense to me. :confused:

For me, the SD9VE is a cheap, no-nonsense, easy-to-use, readily deployable without going broke home protection piece. No more, no less. :cool:
 
Plus I believe it's Commiefornia-approved too. :)

Other than the Shields, it's the only S&W semi that can be bought new here. The full size and compact M&P's are not approved for sale, so if you find one for sale it has to be sold ppt and you'll pay a premium over what the MSRP is.
 
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Other than the Shields, it's the only S&W semi that can be bought new here. The full size and compact M&P's are not approved for sale, so if you find one for sale it has to be sold ppt and you'll pay a premium over what the MSRP is.
Yep. And in my moonbat state it's the only brand spanking new Smith & Wesson pistol (both versions, 9mm & .40) that you can buy from a dealer for which legal "pre-ban" hi-cap magazines are still available. :cool:
 
From what I've been told, the company wants to be able to market a standard size plastic pistol that can be sold as low as down in the $250 range, for buyers interested in a low cost, affordable, decently made handgun for home/self defense.

I once asked if there was going to be an armorer class for the SD. The answer was no, and the reason offered was that the SD line wasn't intended for LE sales, so there was no anticipated need for LE armorer training for the SD line.

I can't remember the last time I saw the older Sigma line included in the list of armorer classes, but it's been a while. My class was toward the end of the 90's, and there were revisions occurring after that time.

I've never even looked inside the SD series, nor fired one.

The armorer class for the SW99/P99 pistol was dropped from the list of available armorer classes, too, although I was told that the S&W academy would still provide armorer recert for an existing agency customer if they continued to use the SW99's (if they hadn't been able to be talked into trading them for M&P's). I was told of one such special agency, off the public radar, so to speak, who had (then) recently requested such a class for their SW99's.

I was surprised any of them were still in-service. I can't imagine the SW99's (or 990L's) would remain in-service as agency weapons for too many more years, not only because the model line was discontinued, but because S&W was apparently no longer going to be ordering repair parts from Germany, and had reportedly (what I was told) sold off most of their existing parts to the new Walther importer when they closed down their Walther America business.

EDITED to add: Don't mistake my above comment about being surprised any were still in-service as being in any way an inference that the quality of the S&W licensed version of the Walther P99 series is inferior or substandard. Quite the contrary. I've long believed the 99 series, and especially the SW99's, were excellent, robust and reliable duty/defensive-type pistols. I own a pair of them, carried an issued one for a few years (and used it for training/drills & quals, firing several thousand rounds), and have fired many more rounds through other examples of them. I like them, with the minor exception of the early backstrap inserts being less-than-optimally ergonomic. To be fair, though, Walther did pretty much invent the idea, and has revised them over time.

I ordered enough spare/repair 99 parts, as an armorer, to enable me to my own SW99's up and running for probably the rest of my life (and those of a couple of friends).

I imagine at some point I'll have to start ordering replacement RSA's and mag springs from the new Walther importer, though.
 
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One thing no one mentions is their inherent accuracy. Yes, the trigger does aggravate this somewhat, but it's clear they are accurate. APEX has stated, when asked why no replacement barrels for the SD, that they did not require one. They said the only real problem w/ the SD's was the trigger. BTW, the "plastic" feel to the trigger is because they're made of plastic. Glock has the same "issue". Some on this forum have had great results with the APEX kit (springs, trigger,etc.), some with just the trigger by itself and some have returned to the factory trigger. If one can work through the different feel of the stock trigger, they will have an inexpensive, reliable, ACCURATE pistol. The price point is certainly a BIG plus. They have their place and I sure do like mine, over 6K rounds and some minor issues later. I'll be keeping mine !!
 

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