Why I don't Open Carry

Ok, this has gotten lively! I just about never read these type of threads because it's the same old arguments over and over....:D

But I'm surprised and kind of saddened that this forum which is normally super polite and respectful would go on like this, granted it is better than most threads about OC vs CC on other forums.

All that being said here's my .02 cents....:D

I tend to "casually" CC in that I don't care if the pistol prints a little if I bend a certain way, heck I OC around the place a good bit in warmer weather. As long as you are carrying safely I don't care how you carry just that you are carrying is a good thing! :)

And on a more serious note...
The biggest reason I don't OC is I got tired of all the beautiful women chasing me down the street just to ask what kind of pistol was on my hip. ;):D
 
Another example of how the officer's attitude can drive the encounter.

Afterward, those guys didn't walk off grumbling that the officer was a "fascist". To the contrary, they were complimentary of the officer.

I think the OC guys were a bit on the goofy side, and I think the officer unnecessarily dragged out the stop. But if every OC stop went as well there would be far less fuss all around.
 
Another example of how the officer's attitude can drive the encounter.

Afterward, those guys didn't walk off grumbling that the officer was a "fascist". To the contrary, they were complimentary of the officer.

I think the OC guys were a bit on the goofy side, and I think the officer unnecessarily dragged out the stop. But if every OC stop went as well there would be far less fuss all around.
They weren't detained, so they had the option of walking away at any time. I would have made a dull video which would have been over in less than a minute. ;)
 
Since Keith44spl is doing most of the heavy lifting in the OC photo department I thought I'd post this.

I got this holster as a OC/BBQ rig from member Eaglestroker, it's actually for a 69xx but my 5926 fits fine. Now I need to get one with shark skin for my Shorty 45 MK2. :D
 

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Some of this has gotten heated. Everyone has reasons for what they do and I don't dispute the crowd that has chosen to OC. That's their right and I support it. I chose not to OC for reasons of my own, posted earlier, and doubt I'll change. Best to everyone and I hope none of you ever has to use the gun against another person, stay safe.
 
Just that attempted disarms in that particular context occur relatively frequently irrelevant of whether it was successful or not. Open carry in any context carries with it a higher risk that someone will try to take that weapon from you. That's been my point all along, maybe I didn't make that clear. For me, the risk is simply too high and why I would advise against open carry. If someone comes to a different conclusion, that's their choice and they are free to do so.

I feel squeaky clean now that I have your permission.
 
If you are afraid, embarrassed, don't feel like offending the liberals...posing/strutting then by all means don't OC. If we continue to bicker among each other we weaken what is really at stake. Personal defense is but part of the "gun issue". The Constitution is under attack.... I am a USMC Vet and swore an oath to it... I have not been obsolved of that oath. Texas will finally pass OC this year and I will OC, to the consternation of my lovely bride. I am not a poser nor do I strut... I am too old for such ****, that said... the new " law" will most likely require level 2 retention and a CCL..... It is, however, a start to Constitutional Carry... which I do whole heartedly support. The "Texas OC Crowd" did indeed make a lot of noise/press the last couple of years..... so did the Boston Tea Party.... they both had the same objective... Liberty. A wise man once said... Those that will give up liberty for security will soon have neither. I do not care one witt how one chooses to carry their firearm..... but we must band together to protect our rights.." the right of the people shall not be infringed".
 
If you are afraid, embarrassed, don't feel like offending the liberals...posing/strutting then by all means don't OC. If we continue to bicker among each other we weaken what is really at stake. Personal defense is but part of the "gun issue". The Constitution is under attack.... I am a USMC Vet and swore an oath to it... I have not been obsolved of that oath. Texas will finally pass OC this year and I will OC, to the consternation of my lovely bride. I am not a poser nor do I strut... I am too old for such ****, that said... the new " law" will most likely require level 2 retention and a CCL..... It is, however, a start to Constitutional Carry... which I do whole heartedly support. The "Texas OC Crowd" did indeed make a lot of noise/press the last couple of years..... so did the Boston Tea Party.... they both had the same objective... Liberty. A wise man once said... Those that will give up liberty for security will soon have neither. I do not care one witt how one chooses to carry their firearm..... but we must band together to protect our rights.." the right of the people shall not be infringed".


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AMEN,

It's really not about promenading around with a hog-leg tied down low.....

It's about being free men, to walk this earth without shame
or being impeded by oppressive legislation that seeks to trample on our inalienable rights....


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If you are afraid, embarrassed, don't feel like offending the liberals...posing/strutting then by all means don't OC. If we continue to bicker among each other we weaken what is really at stake. Personal defense is but part of the "gun issue". The Constitution is under attack.... I am a USMC Vet and swore an oath to it... I have not been obsolved of that oath. Texas will finally pass OC this year and I will OC, to the consternation of my lovely bride. I am not a poser nor do I strut... I am too old for such ****, that said... the new " law" will most likely require level 2 retention and a CCL..... It is, however, a start to Constitutional Carry... which I do whole heartedly support. The "Texas OC Crowd" did indeed make a lot of noise/press the last couple of years..... so did the Boston Tea Party.... they both had the same objective... Liberty. A wise man once said... Those that will give up liberty for security will soon have neither. I do not care one witt how one chooses to carry their firearm..... but we must band together to protect our rights.." the right of the people shall not be infringed".

Well said DD!
 
Man ya'll been busy, I've been gone for a few days. Took me an hour and a half to catch up. What I gleaned out of it more than anything else was the FREEDOM OF CHOICE. That's something a lot of folks don't have scattered around the globe. Some states are gun friendly, some are not. But that to seems to be changing. I can remember in the 60's, 70's, and even early 80's, gun racks in the rear windows of pickup trucks. Nobody and I truly mean nobody said or thought anything about it. Then came the 90's, you couldn't find a truck with a gun rack in it. I blame the media for a lot of this. The boondocks got connected with the outside world. The gun band of the 90's I think done more to arm America than anything. Then the AR thing. Then the ammo thing. America has been busy. Last week some jasper went into Chicago area and interviewed 2,583 people to see if they had any guns, most reported no. So he deducted from his information, compared it to the seventies ( last time he was there, he didn't say why either) that gun ownership was way down, lowest reporting year ever. He stated the reason for this was that we no longer relied on hunting of our food but purchased it from the factory farm. The media decided to publish this. I'm still shaking my head over this. But from what I read here today it looks like each has some choices, some more than others, depending on state laws, to carry as one see's fit. And I see times changing and with those changes comes choices. I just wonder how heated this forum would have been 30-40 years ago !!!! I'm from an long standing open carry state. When we passed conceal carry, I thought that was good, now I get to carry most everywhere I go. Now I understand a border state has a lifetime conceal carry permit and I think my state should do the same. As a matter of fact my permit expires in August and I'm trying not to forget to go renew it. They have a fine or penalty for late renewals, so that tells me it's really about the money on a constitutional right anyway. But I really like having the choice of doing what suits me .
 
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What about those rapists and robbers that conceal? What are they doing for the cause? Of course, we don't equate that with what we traditionally call concealed carry, but don't doubt for a minute that people unfamiliar or uncomfortable with guns do.

Always is a strong word. Is concealed carry always prudent? NO. I can't think of many things that are always socially prudent. Since I have ten years experience with open carry in a place a little less accepting than AZ, I feel qualified to answer what I think you meant; YES, most of the time open carry is perfectly acceptable. In ten years I have encountered only two people that were unappreciative of open carry- one angry and one that wanted to debate firearms ownership. I've also had several dozen supportive comments from men and women.

People call the police for a lot of reasons, as I'm sure you're aware. If a black man walks through a white neighborhood someone will call the police. Is it legal? Yes. Are you going to shake him down for legal activity? No, not if you want to keep your job you won't.

Are you for real? You're bitching because you have to do your damn job?! What the deuce? Cry us a river why don't you. I'm sure instead of responding to a open carry call, where you'll find no law has been broken, you'd prefer to go sort out a DV call, or a child rape case?

Which are followed by beliefs, not facts.
Those were just used to initiate the confrontation and put you in a hole of which you'll have to fight your way out. I prefer to avoid the hole.
Proof? No, opinion again.
Poser? Posing to be what?
People that don't like guns aren't going to suddenly be pro-gun because they don't see guns. That's the most bizarre logic I've heard yet.
I don't have to now anyway. Open carry is lawful here, so if you stop me for doing so I'll politely dismiss you.
...and all the grass gets pooped on by that off-leash dog you should be catching. Get to it.
Use solid equipment for OC & practice practice practice with it!
It took a while, but you've finally posted some good advice.

You believe that concealed carry guarantees quality holsters and situational awareness? Seriously?

You haven't, and cannot, prove either contention- that CC is better, or that most believe it.

We could say the same to you.

Wow you are very emotional about this huh? Are you an attorney? Bottom line is this; common sense goes a long way dude. It NEVER helps to go overboard for any cause. Do handguns in a holster freak people out as bad as a AR or AK slung? No, but it still frightens people. You want hard facts, they are out there if you look for them. My perspective is just that- my perspective from 19 yrs of policing & dealing with all kinds of people is a city of 500,000. You don't have to nitpick everything I said because you feel you're right. The points I make are based in fact.

As a gun owner and armed citizen you should be trying to avoid confrontation at all costs. Open carry is a personal choice, just be aware that it DOES affect others & can be politically damaging if done without exercising good judgement. Those morons that strut around with commando'esq gear and military style weapons are certainly not helping any gun owners. Sometimes I wonder if they're not on the payroll of the anti gun movement? Face it, all of us wonder that at times.

My attitude is to be low key and not draw unwanted attention. Why put yourself out there if it's unnecessary? Oh your quip about someone doesn't 'belong' in a certain area is incorrect. We do get calls about those very things all too often. We handle them case by case depending on the info at hand. So yea, like it or not the police can and do respond to idiotic calls on a regular basis that have noting to do with open carrying of weapons.

Furthermore, reference open carry; where I work we don't always respond to open carry calls if they guy/gal just has a gun in their hip. Nonetheless, the call did come in from someone. Which proves my point: people can, do & will call us for that.

Oh yea, people will lie too just to get a response faster. Some ******* calls in there a man with a gun brandishing (even if it's false) it can end badly. You've heard of the epidemic of "SWATING?" Fact: those calls have, do and continue to happen all over the nation sometimes ending in tragedy. If the lying perp is caught then they're in big trouble. A 911 call from a payphone or stolen cell phone is impossible ID though. Do I like going to every stupid a__ call? No! So I'm not crying a river. Calls come in, we go. You have obviously never been a police officer. When you've seen the abject stupidity & cruelty of your fellow man, then you may understand. The Air Force is not the same my friend.

Have any active shooters had open carriers to shoot at? Nope, as they usually occurred in anti gun states or schools. Could an open carrier be a deterrent to any active shooter? Purely speculative. A loon hell bent on shooting up a place isn't going to be deterred by someone with a pistol in the open---- they have their first target. If they bad guy has no idea who is armed then his OODA loop is already starting to twist. See Trolley Sq. shooting in Utah. Conversely, the LVMPD officers shot by two loons while eating. They were killed for their sidearms. They executed two uniformed cops! Do you really think an armed citizen wouldn't be on their homicidal menu for the same reasons?? A heroic CC'r did the right thing in trying to stop them & tragically died too. But his actions slowed them down so LVMPD could stop them before more people died.

There you go; facts for you! Emotions aside just do what you're going to do with the realization that others may or may not agree or like what you are doing. Concealed carry is just that: CONCEALED! Out of their sight, out of their thoughts.
 
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If you are afraid, embarrassed, don't feel like offending the liberals...posing/strutting then by all means don't OC. If we continue to bicker among each other we weaken what is really at stake. Personal defense is but part of the "gun issue". The Constitution is under attack.... I am a USMC Vet and swore an oath to it... I have not been obsolved of that oath. Texas will finally pass OC this year and I will OC, to the consternation of my lovely bride. I am not a poser nor do I strut... I am too old for such ****, that said... the new " law" will most likely require level 2 retention and a CCL..... It is, however, a start to Constitutional Carry... which I do whole heartedly support. The "Texas OC Crowd" did indeed make a lot of noise/press the last couple of years..... so did the Boston Tea Party.... they both had the same objective... Liberty. A wise man once said... Those that will give up liberty for security will soon have neither. I do not care one witt how one chooses to carry their firearm..... but we must band together to protect our rights.." the right of the people shall not be infringed".

Hey agree with OC Texas' position. I hope that TX will enjoy the same freedoms as AZ. Hell, I had no idea that open carrying was illegal in Texas until this whole movement started. It's Texas?? You can't carry a gun? ***?

The Tarrant Cty quack pots are a different breed and a bit crazy. Nuff said...

When I say "poser" you know who I'm referring too. I'm referring to that-guy-flaunting "I'm cooler than you" type of idiots that we all see. I see gentlemen open carry at times (on & off duty) and don't think anything of it, they're normal dudes.

For the record: I do not have any issues with open carry. Just apply sound judgement on when and how it's used.
 
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