Why I don't Open Carry
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LimaCharlie
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Oregon has constitutional open carry and statute Concealed Handgun Licenses. I open carry or conceal carry where I decide is appropriate. Even when I open carry a rifle, shotgun, or primary handgun, I conceal carry my BUG. You do what works for you where you live and I will do what works for me where I live. I support your choices, please support my choices.
4 months pregnant? And nothing about the guy waddling across the street towards the end, doing his interpretation of hands up don't shoot, looking 8 1/2 months pregnant?
FWIW if you're ever in Colorado Springs don't eat at that Carl's Junior in the background it's nasty
I don't know I kind like "Hog leg"
I don't think anyone is necessarily advocating that everyone should open carry just that we should support the rights of other gun owners to make that decision for themselves
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Reggie Dunlop
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Open-Carrying Guy Has His Brand-New Pistol Stolen at Gunpoint
Open carry can provide the attention you crave but sometimes turns out poorly for the OC advocate.
And now it's time for all the keyboard commandos to tell us how this could not happen to them!
Open carry can provide the attention you crave but sometimes turns out poorly for the OC advocate.
And now it's time for all the keyboard commandos to tell us how this could not happen to them!
I'm not sure you read the story but the guy was open carrying an unloaded gun.
Think stupidity might have played a part in this incident?
Surely if this is a common occurrence you can find numerous other verifiable examples right?
We'll wait
The bad guy will shoot you first is one argument against open carry and I think it has some validity although I think it is open to debate. Of more concern to me would be disarms as well as being robbed of your own gun which is seen on a relatively frequent basis in cases of open carry. Also of concern would be getting marked as someone to follow home for a later break-in to steal your guns and is the same reason I don't wear any gun related clothing or have any gun related decals on my vehicles.
Concerning "situational awareness"
http://www.safetysolutionsacademy.c...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
http://nosofttargets.com/?p=372&utm...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Concerning "situational awareness"
http://www.safetysolutionsacademy.c...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
http://nosofttargets.com/?p=372&utm...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Since this is "seen on a relatively frequent basis" you shouldn't have any problem posting numerous verifiable links to news reports that document your claim.
Alternatively, you can retract it
We'll wait
Richard Simmons
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Something this thread has reaffirmed, in my opinion and that is the difference between owning a gun or a number of guns and being a gun owner. The two are not the same which is unfortunate for us all.
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William Coleman, 21, told police that he bought a handgun on Friday and was carrying it around with his cousin. At around 2 a.m. Saturday, another man approached him and asked for a cigarette. The pair talked about Coleman's handgun before the suspect pulled his own "semi-automatic, black" gun from his waistband and said, "I like your gun, give it to me." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/open-carry-robbery_n_5953044.html
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That's an easy one. Unlike the victim, I don't hang out on street corners at 2AM or hand out cigs to armed street thugs and chat with them about my guns until being robbed.
On the other hand.... if the circumstances in the story sound your evenings out, then you might have something to worry about.
As one astute man wrote, he compared the mental capacity of the victim to a pickle.
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off topic...
There is nothing "ironic" about folks having a lively discussion about gun carry issues in a gun carry discussion forum.
An example of ironic might be someone posting a lengthy lecture about folks wasting their time posting.
...back on topic
I see what you did there
Open carry is not all that common among civilians, but I see news stories of folks robbed of their own firearm on what I would label a fairly regular basis considering how uncommon it is.
The Perils of Open Carry | Active Response Training
Man Practicing Open Carry Rights Gets Robbed Of His Gun
Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun
Opelika man robbed with his own gun, car & money stolen - MSNewsNow.com - Jackson, MS
Syracuse man was killed while being robbed of his gun, prosecutor says | syracuse.com
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...p-dont-chase-the-guy-who-just-stole-your-gun/
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The tone of your posts suggests otherwise
There are certain parts of this story I'm not allowed to comment on here. What I can tell you is that the guy was on his way back to his car from a parade he was a South Dakota resident who had not lived in Co Springs for the 6 months required to get a Colorado Permit so his only option was open carry.
Open carry is not rare in Colorado Springs it's not an everyday occurrence but it's not "rare".
The arrest was made based on a city ordinance that was 10 years out of date.
The police had been aware that he was open carrying on the street while watching (and possibly participating in) the parade but they didn't detain him until he walked down a public sidewalk that bordered a city park. As a side note after this incident the city sent crews around to every park in town to check the signs and take down any sign that said that firearms were prohibited in any park.
Ok how is that at all relevant? I didn't see anyone OCing at church today either I didn't see anyone in a Kansas City Royals jersey either does that mean that only idiots like the Royals?
All the reasons in the world don't make your opinion any more than just that youropinion and remember I don't open carry either but unlike you I don't choose to belittle those who do.
Then why not let folks open carry or not as they see fit without denigrating them?
And that's all the reason they really need. What other civil liberties would you take away from others based on your disapproval of them ?
Yes, it is and when I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic there were no caveats that I didn't have to support Rights I didn't like.
No one is discussing political activism we're discussing open carry as a choice people get to make
What kind of shape are you in? I notice you spend a lot of time insulting open carriers based on their looks. You call them retarded, you denigrate them for being out of shape you don't necessarily refute their arguments but you sure do personally attack them a lot.
Why is that?
You really should read your cites before posting them
The Perils of Open Carry | Active Response Training
Op-Ed piece lists one example of an attempted robbery (see your third cite)
Man Practicing Open Carry Rights Gets Robbed Of His Gun
Already discussed the guy was OCing an empty gun
Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun
Attempted robbery see (1st cite)
url=http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/21837023/opelika-man-robbed-with-his-own-gun-car-money-stolen]Opelika man robbed with his own gun, car & money stolen - MSNewsNow.com - Jackson, MS[/url]
No mention of open carry at all
Syracuse man was killed while being robbed of his gun, prosecutor says | syracuse.com[/QUOTE]
Again, the words "open carry" don't even appear in the article
Thanks for playing though
We'll be waiting for that retraction
My original post didn't specify civilian, LEO or military. Open carry simply isn't that common among civilians. Simply look at the stats of officers killed by their on firearms. Disarm attempts are even relatively common among our Military personnel under current conditions. If open carry among civilians was more commonplace, you'd see similar numbers. Even so, the examples are still there.
You stated the OPEN carriers were routinely disarmed when asked to back your claim you provided ONE example.
Now you're claiming that Service Members are being targeted for their weapons.
Did you really think I WASN'T going to ask for a cite?
Up it
Are police officers not open carriers? And another civilian case FWIW http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...p-dont-chase-the-guy-who-just-stole-your-gun/
As far as service members being targeted is concerned http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA612103
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Philadelphia Patriot
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Yeah, but cops go after criminals and attempt to apprehend them. They also respond to calls of dangerous people. They're more likely to shoot at or fight people, hence the higher number of people fighting them and trying to disarm them.
Regular people try to avoid danger and, in theory, only engage people in a defensive role. Regular people are less like to have criminals attempt to disarm them since they do not pursue offenders.
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I'll go ahead and accept this as your retraction
Im so confused as to what youre trying to use that dtic paper for. Did you actually read it? What is your argument? That in a ground to ground encounter the enemy will try to go for the weapon? If thats the case youre trying to prove then yes, it is true.
If youre trying to prove theyre being disarmed at a frequently. Youre absolutely wrong. 7.9% of those surveyed had faced hand to hand combat, of those who encountered it, the study never states how many were disarmed. Even assuming 100% were disarmed (highly unlikely as most were checkpoints) thats only 7.9%disarmed. A bit far for "frequent" basis
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