BudE
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I have one that is a tack driver. However, no one seems to like them. I think a lot of the criticism is due to the lock.
Why is the 10-14 so unpopular?
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In real estate its: location, location, location.
In S&Ws its: lock, lock, lock.
In S&Ws its: lock, lock, lock.
zachomega
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While I am not crazy about the lock, I REALLY do not like round butt grips. Fortunately, the lock can be removed (if you so desire) and conversion grips exist.
As an added bonus, these guns are a lot cheaper.
As an added bonus, these guns are a lot cheaper.
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don't forget about the MIM
Ashlander
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To tell you the truth I haven't seen a new Model 10 or 64 in a gun store in years. I see snubbies and 686s and the big N-frames and X-frames. If their pictures weren't in the catelog I would have thought they were discontinued.
And between us, I'd rather buy a used 10 or 64 anyway -- not so much for the lock, but they are inexpensive and most are used cop guns in fairly good shape for shooting (beat up on the outside -- but good shooters).
And between us, I'd rather buy a used 10 or 64 anyway -- not so much for the lock, but they are inexpensive and most are used cop guns in fairly good shape for shooting (beat up on the outside -- but good shooters).
GyMac
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Revolvers in general, just aren't what people want nowadays. Those of us that buy them aren't looking for the latest, greatest, most tactically efficient weapon and a lock doesn't fit in with our needs.
gscrasher
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BudE,
I sure like mine. Yeah locks are ugly, but in normal steel guns they don't seem to be a problem, and I don't see much evidence that MIM is bad. As for round butts, one can have either round grip or square grip, so what's the problem?
Mine is the prettiest new looking used gun I've ever bought.
I sure like mine. Yeah locks are ugly, but in normal steel guns they don't seem to be a problem, and I don't see much evidence that MIM is bad. As for round butts, one can have either round grip or square grip, so what's the problem?
Mine is the prettiest new looking used gun I've ever bought.
Dragon88
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Yup, you nailed it.
pilgrim6a
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I think it's just money.
A new Model 10 retails for over $700!
They made 10 MILLION M&P/ model 10s and you can pick up a nice used one for $300 or less.
I don't like the things. I only have 3.
A new Model 10 retails for over $700!
They made 10 MILLION M&P/ model 10s and you can pick up a nice used one for $300 or less.
I don't like the things. I only have 3.
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I like the 10-14's, I just got my 2nd one a couple days ago. I paid $200 for a security trade in
The 10-14 is officially part of the "Classic" collection now, and placed like Bud's have them for $550 or so. IMO I would not pay this for a new 10-14 but bought both of mine used.
I removed the IL from one of my 10-14's, and totally "worked" the action to make it a really nice shooter. My other 10-14 I left bone stock, lock and all.
If you want a MIM Model 10 but don't want the IL, get a 10-11. If you want forged parts, get anything 10-10 or earlier
The reason you don't hear much about the 10-14's is because S&W only makes them in "runs" anymore, and few if any private security companies are ordering new .38 Special revolvers anymore....also, very very few handgun buyers these days are going to choose a $550 10-14 as a HD or recreational handgun when there's a sea of Glocks and M&P's in the gun case for the same price.....and so there is a lot less demand for new Model 10's. Model 10's are no longer the "bread and butter" of S&W, now it's snub revolvers, M&P pistols and AR-15's.
The 10-14 is officially part of the "Classic" collection now, and placed like Bud's have them for $550 or so. IMO I would not pay this for a new 10-14 but bought both of mine used.
I removed the IL from one of my 10-14's, and totally "worked" the action to make it a really nice shooter. My other 10-14 I left bone stock, lock and all.
If you want a MIM Model 10 but don't want the IL, get a 10-11. If you want forged parts, get anything 10-10 or earlier
The reason you don't hear much about the 10-14's is because S&W only makes them in "runs" anymore, and few if any private security companies are ordering new .38 Special revolvers anymore....also, very very few handgun buyers these days are going to choose a $550 10-14 as a HD or recreational handgun when there's a sea of Glocks and M&P's in the gun case for the same price.....and so there is a lot less demand for new Model 10's. Model 10's are no longer the "bread and butter" of S&W, now it's snub revolvers, M&P pistols and AR-15's.
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The bold print part is exactly why I don't own one. That is the reason I find it hard to buy any new S&W's these days.
gkitch
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yep
The original Model 21 is a rare and expensive classic in 44 Special. I own one of the "new" versions with the lock and am happy with it. It is a less expensive, shootable alternative to having and using an original.
The opposite is true for the Model 10. The originals were made in the millions and sold all over the world. One can own a classic Model 10 or pre model 10 in superb shape AND with CC hardened hammer and trigger AND no lock for a fraction of what a new one would cost. Only when the price of a new one is equal or less than the street price of a typical old one would there be a decision point.
The original Model 21 is a rare and expensive classic in 44 Special. I own one of the "new" versions with the lock and am happy with it. It is a less expensive, shootable alternative to having and using an original.
The opposite is true for the Model 10. The originals were made in the millions and sold all over the world. One can own a classic Model 10 or pre model 10 in superb shape AND with CC hardened hammer and trigger AND no lock for a fraction of what a new one would cost. Only when the price of a new one is equal or less than the street price of a typical old one would there be a decision point.
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I think S&W makes very few of the 10-14's anymore, since they have moved to the Classic line. I think they feel it is more tradition to keep the 10-14 in the lineup, since the M&P-Model 10 has been in production for over 110 years now. There must be a market for them, since Bud's occasionally lists them as out of stock, but then gets more of them in.
The same principal would apply to many of S&W's new revolvers, using the logic above.........used older 64's, 67's, 686's are less than the new gen revolvers.........but yet, these models stay in production because there is demand for them.
The same principal would apply to many of S&W's new revolvers, using the logic above.........used older 64's, 67's, 686's are less than the new gen revolvers.........but yet, these models stay in production because there is demand for them.
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There are two types of guns that I won't buy new; S&W revolvers and Glock pistols.
S&W revolvers (ex. m10's) w/o the lock and MIM parts are easily found for a lot less money than a new one.
S&W revolvers (ex. m10's) w/o the lock and MIM parts are easily found for a lot less money than a new one.
I think the fact you can find great condition used model 10's without the lock or mim parts for half or less what smith is asking for the new ones is why they are not popular. plus most guys looking for new guns these days are on the hunt for high cap semi autos. I am actually surprised smith even still makes the model 10
I agree with this for sure.
Seems like the younger generation don't care much for the older gun quality.
James
williamlayton
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I really like the 28's and the 586's.
I think they are better guns and will take more punishment.
Locks and MIM don't concern me.
Money does and the older ones are less expensive---finish is not a problem either.
If I can get it for the right price I have no qualms about getting it re-blued if needed.
Blessings
I think they are better guns and will take more punishment.
Locks and MIM don't concern me.
Money does and the older ones are less expensive---finish is not a problem either.
If I can get it for the right price I have no qualms about getting it re-blued if needed.
Blessings
photoman
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Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore has surplus 10-14's on Gunbroker for $199.99,
Dale53
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I have both old and new Smiths. I have NO problems with the new Smiths. I didn't like the mechanical function of the lock in my carry gun, so I replaced it with the PLUG. Problem over!
The large frame guns don't bother me. I am a "Performance Guy" and I LOVE the performance of my 625-6 Model of 1989 complete with MIM and , Oh! wait, I got "short changed" on that one, it doesn't have a lock...
My 625-8 JM Special has a lock but has forged, flash chromed hammer and trigger. Yes it is prettier with the flash chrome, but the important thing is that it also shoots extremely well.
I did do a light action job on both revolvers (made them mine, so to speak) but these had ALL of the basics to shoot well straight from the factory. I have shot these two guns more consistently than any revolvers I own (and I own a few...).
I, from time to time, have shot perfect timed score targets at 25 yards and have scored as high as 98 slow fire on the standard NRA Bullseye slow fire target. This is fairly recent. As I am 76 years old, you can imagine the thrill at still being able to do this. I have lost most of the sight in my right eye and this is shooting right handed and left eyed, standing.
So, I am STILL a fan of the new Smiths. I can still remember, during the "English Period" when guns were turned out with problems and it was on MY dollar to get the fixed. I had to pay Smith for two revolvers just a couple of years old for SERIOUS problems. So, you all can complain about the new guns all you want. At least Smith will fix any that get out with quality control problems.
The problem is that most people in the country have computers. Every problem, no matter how small or how large hits the internet. "Back in the day" you never heard about anyone else's problems. They just had to live with it, by themselves.
Rant over! Heading for the storm cellar...
Dale53
The large frame guns don't bother me. I am a "Performance Guy" and I LOVE the performance of my 625-6 Model of 1989 complete with MIM and , Oh! wait, I got "short changed" on that one, it doesn't have a lock...
My 625-8 JM Special has a lock but has forged, flash chromed hammer and trigger. Yes it is prettier with the flash chrome, but the important thing is that it also shoots extremely well.
I did do a light action job on both revolvers (made them mine, so to speak) but these had ALL of the basics to shoot well straight from the factory. I have shot these two guns more consistently than any revolvers I own (and I own a few...).
I, from time to time, have shot perfect timed score targets at 25 yards and have scored as high as 98 slow fire on the standard NRA Bullseye slow fire target. This is fairly recent. As I am 76 years old, you can imagine the thrill at still being able to do this. I have lost most of the sight in my right eye and this is shooting right handed and left eyed, standing.
So, I am STILL a fan of the new Smiths. I can still remember, during the "English Period" when guns were turned out with problems and it was on MY dollar to get the fixed. I had to pay Smith for two revolvers just a couple of years old for SERIOUS problems. So, you all can complain about the new guns all you want. At least Smith will fix any that get out with quality control problems.
The problem is that most people in the country have computers. Every problem, no matter how small or how large hits the internet. "Back in the day" you never heard about anyone else's problems. They just had to live with it, by themselves.
Rant over! Heading for the storm cellar...
Dale53
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