Why some people should NOT open carry

The_Truth said:
Soooo sick of these anti gun threads.

Title of the thread should read, "Why you need to exhibit complete situational awareness at all times while open carrying."

Open carry isn't stupid or inadvisable. Blaming open carry for something like this instead of THE PERSON who was open carrying is the same anti gun logic used to blame violence on the types of firearms used instead of THE PERSON who perpetrated the crime.

You don't blame the AR15 when there's a mass shooting, do you? No! You blame the person!

Awareness and education is key, and sharing these types of articles is key to understanding. But some people here need to seriously cut down on the anti gun rhetoric.

This isn't all directed at OP, but anyone it's applicable to.
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Go back and read the title of this thread. "Why some people should NOT open carry". Period. I did NOT say some people should not be allowed to open carry. This guy is too stupid to open carry. He probably is too stupid to be trusted to own any firearm. but he has an absolute right to under our laws. Don't see any anti gun rhetoric in my post whatsoever. What you DO see is anti stupid rhetoric-people like him give all gun owners, and especially open carry advocates, a bad rap. I see people carrying weapons, shooting weapons and at gun shows that make me cringe-but they have just as much right to do what they do as I do. From the tone of your post, as well as your signature line. I would suspect that you are one of the ones that would make me cringe.
 
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The_Truth said:
Soooo sick of these anti gun threads.

Title of the thread should read, "Why you need to exhibit complete situational awareness at all times while open carrying."

Open carry isn't stupid or inadvisable. Blaming open carry for something like this instead of THE PERSON who was open carrying is the same anti gun logic used to blame violence on the types of firearms used instead of THE PERSON who perpetrated the crime.

You don't blame the AR15 when there's a mass shooting, do you? No! You blame the person!

Awareness and education is key, and sharing these types of articles is key to understanding. But some people here need to seriously cut down on the anti gun rhetoric.

This isn't all directed at OP, but anyone it's applicable to.
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Did someone change the title on this thread?

The way I read it the title is

Why SOME PEOPLE should NOT open carry.

It isn't "NOBODY should open carry" or "Open carry is bad"

Simply put it is saying that some people don't have the situational awareness necessary to safely open carry in some environments. Disputing that is like trying to dispute that the person described in the OP didn't get his gun taken away from him.

His situational awareness was lacking and he let himself end up in a situation where the criminals got the drop on him. So in the place and time where this happened he probably shouldn't have been open carrying.

That is all.
 
@CAJUNLAWYER and @BC38

Look no further than the last line of my post where I clarify to whom my post is directed.

As for any personal insults, I don't engage with people who make insinuations about people's character or ethics without knowing them personally.
 
Remain Objective

One of the main issues with open carry is that for many, self-defense begins and ends with the gun. Yet, virtually all defensive failures, whether a private citizen, store keeper, police officer or federal agent, are traceable to a failure of tactics and or judgment. Members of police department pistol teams have been shot and killed by criminals with just a rudimentary knowledge of firearms.

In that vain, and remaining objective, if someone can defend the tactics of open carry, I would like to hear what they have to say. I won't attack anyone for his method of carry but you should be able to defend it within the framework of the existing amount of knowledge on armed encounters, of which there are tens of thousands.
 
The_Truth said:
@CAJUNLAWYER and @BC38

Look no further than the last line of my post where I clarify to whom my post is directed.

As for any personal insults, I don't engage with people who make insinuations about people's character or ethics without knowing them personally.
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...and yet you felt the need to "engage" with me and Cajunlawyer, one or both of whom you seem to feel have made some sort of insinuations about someone's character or ethics.

BTW, being stupid and/or lacking situational awareness are neither one a failure of character OR ethics. One is a failure of intelligence, the other a failure to be properly alert to your surroundings.

If you're going to cast aspersions or make accusations, at least make them accurate.
 
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nuts!
i'm not gonna carry concealed because you guys don't like my style.
i tried concealed.
it's too uncomfy to do all day.
more important, i can get an accurate shot off in a fraction of a second.
you guys take all day to deploy a concealed weapon.
you only practice against each other so you think you are fast, but i could read most of a book waiting for you to draw n fire.
 
susieqz said:
nuts!
i'm not gonna carry concealed because you guys don't like my style.
i tried concealed.
it's too uncomfy to do all day.
more important, i can get an accurate shot off in a fraction of a second.
you guys take all day to deploy a concealed weapon.
you only practice against each other so you think you are fast, but i could read most of a book waiting for you to draw n fire.
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Maybe.
On the other hand, if the bad guy doesn't know you're armed you don't have to square off and have a fast draw contest with him.
You can draw stealthily when he's distracted and paying no attention to you - because he doesn't recognize you as an armed threat.
That's the advantage of surprise people talk about. You lose that with open carry. So if you're going to open carry you darned well better be fast.
 
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susieqz said:
nuts!
i'm not gonna carry concealed because you guys don't like my style.
i tried concealed.
it's too uncomfy to do all day.
more important, i can get an accurate shot off in a fraction of a second.
you guys take all day to deploy a concealed weapon.
you only practice against each other so you think you are fast, but i could read most of a book waiting for you to draw n fire.
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My family used to say cousin Justine was the fastest. She didn't believe in concealed carry either.
 
jdlii said:
A friend of mine sent this to me. Perhaps it describes the difference between open and concealed carry.
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Yet as many dogs attack skunks as do porcupines. But,maybe that is more of a statement about dogs than skunks or porcupines. Same thing might apply to muggers.

Be extremely funny if open carry guy had a model 36 in his pocket and shot them both after they took his open piece
 
the thing is, i don't have to wait until an opponent is distracted.
i don't expect you to believe this, but if someone points a gun at me, i can likely draw n fire before they pull the trigger.
that's how fast open carry is, with the right rig.
 
susieqz said:
i don't expect you to believe this, but if someone points a gun at me, i can likely draw n fire before they pull the trigger.
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I actually have no trouble believing you.

But my concerns with that approach are tactical:

You have to hope that any confrontation actually plays out this way. You assume that fast drawing against some bad guy who is standing conveniently in front of you where you can see him is the way a confrontation is going to play out. Any bad guy who seriously wants your gun is going to make sure it doesn’t.

Now this isn’t likely to be an issue out in open country where there are few people and you have space to keep your back free. But open carry is never an issue there; open carry has always been legal out here, I’ve open-carried quite a bit out in the desert or the woods where it’s just more convenient and one often carries bigger guns.

OC becomes a debatable tactic in urban and suburban environments where most of the bad guys actually hang out. In such places there are usually also lots of other people moving in close proximity, narrow sidewalks, dark corners, parked cars, stairways, and such, and you can’t just mosey down the middle of the street with your hand hovering over your gun like Marshal Matt Dillon. And if you get jumped from the side or behind and someone gets their hand on your gun before you can react, fast draw artistry isn’t going to be enough.
 
I agree with the barrister from Louisiana, some people should not openly carry a firearm. I also believe there are times to open carry, and times when discretion must be used. None of this has any impact the legal right to possess a firearm. Don't open carry if you can't retain your piece, and don't leave your piece in the car where it can be stolen.

In the spirt of Hank Hill: I don't have a problem with guns, I have a problem with idiots!
 
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